Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? My list would be much shorter: 1. A testimony that

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I can't say I've met all your list either. If I can't say I've met all mine or all yours it looks like Jesus may have pity on me or I won't make it either. Stacy. At 04:41 PM 07/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most P

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and received this blessing that, according to 2 Nephi 31:17-18, is a requirement before you are solidly on

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Isn't that what we seek when we take the Sacrament? Stacy. At 08:54 PM 07/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and

RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-12 Thread Noel B
This is what Enos received after his wrestle with God which took him into the forest for a day and night of prayer. There are a number of descriptions in the scriptures on this topic: Mosiah 4, Enos, 3Nephi 12:1-2, and one of my favorites, DC39:6. I don't think it is the same thing. Noel