I might dispute that one can only have an immature faith in this life. A
perfect one, no, but mature is definitely possible for some.
Stacy.
At 11:10 AM 07/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:
George Cobabe wrote:
If miracles do not aid in the further and ongoing development of an
immature faith (and
At 10:32 PM 7/31/03 -0600, Steven Montgomery wrote:
Fwiw, I asked John Pratt (Astronomer and ancient calender expert) about
Mars' current brightness and its significance and here is his reply:
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Mars will be bright but it is almost that bright every two years. That is,
it is only slightly
At 05:32 AM 8/1/2003, Ronn wrote:
At 10:32 PM 7/31/03 -0600, Steven Montgomery wrote:
Fwiw, I asked John Pratt (Astronomer and ancient calender expert) about
Mars' current brightness and its significance and here is his reply:
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Mars will be bright but it is almost that bright every two
Well, it depends upon John being correct.
George
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From: Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
Fwiw, I asked John Pratt (Astronomer and ancient calender expert) about
Mars' current
: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
George Cobabe wrote:
Quite frankly I think that you finding it interesting is interesting to
me. What do I mean? If this event has meaning to you then it is good.
I
believe that the best definition of a miracle is something
At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote:
Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime
drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words,
Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ (The
Planet Venus) for supremacy. Mars rules
At 11:36 PM 7/30/2003, you wrote:
George Cobabe wrote:
Quite frankly I think that you finding it interesting is interesting to
me. What do I mean? If this event has meaning to you then it is
good. I believe that the best definition of a miracle is something that
produces faith.
Miracles do
At 05:24 AM 7/31/2003, you wrote:
At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote:
Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime
drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other
words, Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ
(The Planet
At 05:59 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote:
At 05:24 AM 7/31/2003, you wrote:
At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote:
Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime
drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other
words, Is Mars playing the role of the
At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote:
Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge
for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are
able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just
before you posted this original, and it was
At 11:06 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote:
Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge
for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are
able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just
Whoops, I meant faith not miracles.
George
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From: George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Mars
That is true, although I was speaking of FAITH, not signs.
If miracles do not aid
George Cobabe wrote:
If miracles do not aid in the further and ongoing development of an
immature faith (and immature is the best that any of us can have in this
life) then why do we use the term faith promoting experiences?
Well, I personally don't use the term. But if I were to do so, I would
At 12:10 PM 7/31/2003, you wrote:
At 11:06 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, you wrote:
At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote:
Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a
bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that
we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars
I have to admit, Steve, that this is thinking outside of the box.
There have been so many other times that a harbinger of war would have been
appropriate that I need to ask what were the signs at those times? If
heavenly bodies are truly foretellers of events, or trends, as you suggest
then
Steven Montgomery wrote:
These are just a few of the thoughts and questions that I've pondered the
last few weeks. What do you think? Does the brightness of Mars (by the end
of August) stand as a sign of the times?
It seems possible to me, but not certain. We know that among the signs of
the
Well, I guess we'll find out some day. Perhaps more information will be
forthcoming. Another witness, conformable to the law of witnesses, would
give this idea more credibility.
Perhaps another witness along the lines of Mars reaching its peak of
brightness at a significant calendrical date or
Mars brightness by the end of August would certainly seem to me to qualify
as a wonder in heaven. What would give this idea more significance and
credibility is if August 27th happened to be a significant date in Jewish
or Mormon history. Does anyone know? Did anything of religious significance
Steven Montgomery:
Mars brightness by the end of August would certainly seem
to me to qualify as a wonder in heaven. What would give
this idea more significance and credibility is if August 27th
happened to be a significant date in Jewish or Mormon
history.
___
I don't know
At 07:14 PM 7/30/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery:
Mars brightness by the end of August would certainly seem
to me to qualify as a wonder in heaven. What would give
this idea more significance and credibility is if August 27th
happened to be a significant date in Jewish or Mormon
history.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Mars
At 07:14 PM 7/30/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery:
Mars brightness by the end of August would certainly seem
to me to qualify as a wonder in heaven. What would give
this idea more
George Cobabe wrote:
Quite frankly I think that you finding it interesting is interesting to
me. What do I mean? If this event has meaning to you then it is good. I
believe that the best definition of a miracle is something that produces faith.
Miracles do not produce faith. They occur
I know that you are being facetious here, but I truly hope that this is not
your dream. If this were to happen, you would lose all of your sacred
privileges and rights, and the US would be overtaken by the criminals among
us, including those who would like to redistribute your vast wealth.
Jon
It is pretty funny, and full of little in-jokes for those familiar with early SF
films. I LOVE Jack Nicholson as the President.
John W. Redelfs wrote:
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is hilarious,
and one of my favorite, recent films.
Congress is dissolved to mere
-John-
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is
hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films.
To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago,
and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest,
unpleasant movies we had ever had the
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-John-
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is
hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films.
To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago,
and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest,
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