Re: [ZION] Declare war on us, we'll love you for it

2004-03-22 Thread John W. Redelfs
Hi, Jack Redelfs here, again. Gerald Smith wrote: Gary: Any group, whether a nation, community, business, or family has culture. And the way cultures interact, adapt, fight, etc, are all the same, regardless of the unit/organization. The only difference is the time span required for change to

Re: [ZION] Declare war on us, we'll love you for it

2004-03-22 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Jack Redelfs wrote: I ... read Will Ariel Durant's _History Of Civilization_ series twice) ... Grampa Bill exclaims: Yikes!!! The BLT's home schooling must'a been rough! Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine!

Re: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Harold Stuart
On Mar 21, 2004, at 3:44 PM, RB Scott wrote: Gary: Look, I don't think we're ever going to agree. I'm probably as aware as you are as to what God taught and what he didn't. I think are differences are in approach. I'm inclined to teach the gospel, you seem inclined to preach repentance. This is

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Gerald Smith
That's a cop out. A touchy, feely, liberal cop out. You either need to defend your position, or give ground. The Bible is VERY clear that Christ preached repentance. In Matthew 4:17, it tells us that From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at

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2004-03-22 Thread Gerald Smith
Only he can fully judge us, but the Lord calls upon mankind to judge. Why else have judges in Israel? And we can often tell if a person has repented or not, by whether they have abandoned their sins. Someone living in a gay relationship and pushing for gay rights has not abandoned his sins,

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread RB Scott
-Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! That's a cop out. A touchy, feely, liberal cop out. You either need to defend your position, or give ground. Oh phooey. You're

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Sander J. Rabinowitz
Harold Stuart wrote: [RB Scott] I'm inclined to believe that God must be a pretty forgiving God if he's willing to forgive the sins of repentant sinners like you and me. I believe that God wants to include as many people as He possibly can...and that it's my job to do my bit to ensure

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread RB Scott
-Original Message- From: Sander J. Rabinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! SNIP Now what the Lord says to us personally and through the scriptures is clear and unmistakable, but part of that is because

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 11:10 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote: Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel. By the way, who's pushing for gay rights here? I've seen a few here calling for equal treatment under the law for all, which is something guaranteed by our divinely inspired constitution. RBS Yes, but equality

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 02:24 PM 3/22/2004, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! At 11:10 AM 3/22/2004, you wrote: Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel. By the way,

[ZION] Major Announcement

2004-03-22 Thread Steven Montgomery
In other news, NASA will announce a major scientific finding Tuesday at 2:00PM eastern time. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/opportunity_announcement_040322.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Jonathan Scott
Grimy Teeth ©2004 by Jonathan Scott Once upon a time there were two boys and they were the best of friends. Unfortunately for both though, they were both about as lazy as they could be. They would wake each morning from under their two piles of never washed blankets to stand in the middles

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread RB Scott
I'm lousy at parables. Please explain. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! Grimy Teeth ©2004 by Jonathan Scott Once upon a time there were two boys and they

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2004-03-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
Ron Scott wrote: -- Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel. --- Actually, in the church our judges are appointed by inspiration from God. They are not self-appointed nor is their administration a form of political spoils for the party in power. Just in case you did not realize this.

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Jonathan Scott
Well put, Sandy. To me -- others will surely differ -- the divinely-inspired U.S. Constitution is the guide for how we should deal with such matters. In asserting that the Constitution is divinely inspired, God suggests that that equality, rule of law, and freedom to worship and choose right

[ZION] General Conference

2004-03-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
Session of the general conferences of the church have become one of the greatest recurring events in my life. I look forward with great anticipation to hearing addresses from the brethren and sisters the Lord has called to lead us. In the best of times, thier counsel is uplifting and adds

[ZION] Judging

2004-03-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
This controversy about judgement is a straw man that is raised regularly. It usually comes up because someone has suggested a context in which we clearly ought to pass some kind of judgement. The always-ironic response from so many is so consistently and so stupidly predictable -- Oh, but

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread RB Scott
-Original Message- From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now! Ron Scott wrote: -- Thus sayeth the self-appointed Judge in Israel. --- Actually, in the church our judges are appointed by

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2004-03-22 Thread Sander J. Rabinowitz
Ron Scott wrote: I'm lousy at parables. Please explain. Here's my interpretation. I hope that I am not too far off the mark. 1) The filth represents sin, generally, through the individual choices of the children involved. The effects of the filth represents the effects of sin. 2) The

[ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Gerald Smith
To continue the discussion with Jack and how we are affecting the culture in the Middle East, let me quote today's Best of the Web from the WSJ: The Road to Damascus http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/international/middleeast/20SYRI.html?ei

RE: [ZION] Judging

2004-03-22 Thread Tom Matkin
I went with my 11 year old on a school choir trip today to Calgary for a choral festival performance. On the bus I listened to a CD tape of a talk by Mike Wilcox called Noah Blindness It has some interesting insights into a number of things, including seers, and judging. He points out that the

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Jonathan Scott
Sorry had to teach a class. Ron Scott wrote: I'm lousy at parables. Please explain. Here's my interpretation. I hope that I am not too far off the mark. 1) The filth represents sin, generally, through the individual choices of the children involved. The effects of the filth represents the

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
Ron Scott wrote: --- Sophistry? I beg your pardon. Has the Church indicated that people who believe the courts should decide the matter, as mandated by the divinely-inspired constitution, are out of step with the church and its teachings? Please point me to the statement. --- Others with better

[ZION] A few more representative quotes...

2004-03-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
The ultimate purpose of the adversary, who has “great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time,” is to disrupt, disturb, and destroy the home and the family. Like a ship without a rudder, without a compass, we drift from the family values which have anchored us in the past.