Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: - HelpSys - from a programmers view pretty much useless and not very helpful. I consider to replace it with something more useful (not sure we can re-use apidoc from Zope 3 in some way, perhaps the inclusion of Dieter's Docfinder might be more useful for programmers)

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2390 Blamelist: andreasjung,anguenot,efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] Zope tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed

2005-12-21 Thread Zope tests summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Tue Dec 20 12:01:02 2005 UTC to Wed Dec 21 12:01:02 2005 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Unit Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (errors=1) : Zope-2_7-branch Python-2.4.2 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Tue

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2391 Blamelist: andreasjung,anguenot,efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2397 Blamelist: efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2398 Blamelist: efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

[Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Florent Guillaume
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2398 Blamelist: efge,sidnei BUILD FAILED: failed test FYI test output is:

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed failed slave lost sincerely, -The

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2402 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed failed slave lost sincerely, -The Buildbot

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Jim Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Does that mean you're doing it? All necessary RPMs are on the box at / root/svnupgrade/. Otherwise I can do it tomorrow morning (about 5 AM EST) jens On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:08, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Max M
Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, - Gadfly(DA) - do we really need this? We discussed this already. In my opinion the purpose of Gadfly is only educational but nothing that one really needs or uses for production. It could be removed and made available for download on zope.org. -1 From time

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540)

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Does that mean you're doing it? All necessary RPMs are on the box at / root/svnupgrade/. Otherwise I can do it tomorrow morning (about 5 AM EST) Yes, already done. They are also available in my home directory. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Great. I can see http://svn.zope.org works just fine. With

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2409 Blamelist: chrism BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___ Zope-Dev

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by 'tim': try this bbwin build by itself Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed test

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:10:19 +0100 Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. I mentioned to make it available as

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2411 Blamelist: chrism BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with checkouts, and I would

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: I agree. I am also not happy with that. Unfortunately I have currently no clue how to solve this issue (no idea about zpkg). WHat you can do is the following: - copy the checkout to the location where your software home should be - run configure; make inplace; make

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Martijn Faassen
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: I didn't receive any feedback on zope-general, but it could just be a problem with my environment that fails silently. Can anyone confirm that this isn't pilot error before I file a bug? Thanks. From the thread, it's not a pilot error, so could you please file a bug if

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. I

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 13:47 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the

[Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Jim Fulton
I'd like to step back and see if we can agree on what is driving the desire for make install. I'll note that one reason is that it worked this way before, but I don't think that that is a good enough reason to delay the release. I'll note one use case: - A Zope deployer wants to deploy an

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Florent Guillaume] FYI test output is: ... 'zope[.]app[.])' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. program finished with exit code 255 That was due to an ill-formed command line, which Jim repaired this morning. Zope trunk and Zope 2.9 branch

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2412 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. IMHO it is an

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 19:35:35 + Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would even lead to major annoyance where I work right now, just to give a real life example. For

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot

Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
Just as a data point. A lot of autoconf projects (the ones that made ./configure; make; make install famous) don't just run like that from a checkout, but they are never more than 2 steps away from that. The process for a checkout is usually more like ./autoconf; ./automake; ./configure; make;

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access (AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests) Traceback (most recent call last): File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py, line 260, in run testMethod() File

[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Rocky Burt
Max M wrote: If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Chris McDonough
Hmmm... I *think* I just fixed this. On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Tim Peters wrote: [Tim Peters] ... Failure in test test_checkPermission_proxy_roles_limit_access (AccessControl.tests.testZopeSecurityPolicy.C_ZSPTests) Traceback (most recent call last): File c:\python24\lib\unittest.py,

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: The web-page 'force build' button was pressed by '': Build Source Stamp: None Blamelist: BUILD FAILED: failed failed slave lost sincerely, -The Buildbot

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Sawyers
This has been my approach also. Not surprisingly, many of us worked on these processes together and have 'sanitized them' over time. :) There has always been 'another side' who either hasn't liked this procedure or the 'make' voodoo and have come up with their own, or just haven't had to do

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: buildbot failure in Zope branches 2.9 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread Tim Peters
[Tim Peters] ... That was the problem. Turns out `bbwin` does have a compiler, but the buildbot recipe didn't use it. After Jim fixed that, we have another Windows-specific failure, in new code from ChrisM (this is on Zope trunk, of course): Failure in test test_get_env

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: IMHO it is an important requirement. We're inviting a hailstorm of questions and annoyed users by breaking this well-known routine for checkouts. I really think there is not a single good reason for having a different experience for checkouts vs tarballs. It would

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Chris Withers
Jeff Kowalczyk wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys for a Zope user? I can't recall clicking on top frame of the ZMI or a 'Help!' link in the past few years, either. Perhaps an equivalent or greater benefit would be to rip out

Re: [Zope-dev] What use cases are driving make install from a checkout?

2005-12-21 Thread Fred Drake
On 12/21/05, Leonardo Rochael Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is: I don't think there's anything wrong in the install procedure being different between the checkout and the tarball, but it should never take more than a couple of fixed (and documented) steps to convert a checkout to a

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZPublisher] specifiying 'charset' for the content-type header

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 18:07:49 + Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How will Zope know when _not_ to add the content-type header? Makes no sense to me. Either the application set the content-type header or Zope does it for you. Check HTTPResponse.py. How will Zope tell if the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 21. Dezember 2005 17:23:26 -0330 Rocky Burt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'd be a huge proponent of including SQLite in zope core. It is extraordinarilly functional and has few requirements. I particularly like using it to ensure unit tests against RDBMS connections work

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Linux zc-buildbot. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2419 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-21 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Chris Withers wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I've never met ppl who actually used the HelpSys so that's why I am raising the question about the value of the HelpSys. Lots of my co-workers work with Zope on different levels (scripters, product developers)...I've always pointed them to the Zope

[Zope-dev] buildbot failure in Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin

2005-12-21 Thread buildbot
The Buildbot has detected a failed build of Zope trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 zc-bbwin. Buildbot URL: http://buildbot.zope.org/ Build Reason: changes Build Source Stamp: 2419 Blamelist: andreasjung BUILD FAILED: failed test sincerely, -The Buildbot ___

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I