Am 06.02.2010, 21:56 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
You aren't ever going to get ZSQL migrated to use ZPT. ZPT is a
really poor fit for non-markup templates like SQL. Folks writing
modern apps tend to favor non-dynamic SQL anyway (using placeholder
variables) and so would
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 17:16, Charlie Clark
charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
1) Move to a more recent version of HTML (HTML 5 without the new tags),
CSS 2.1 based layout and iFrames for containment and use ZPT instead of
DTML
I would claim that's several steps by itself. ;)
2)
Am 07.02.2010, 17:57 Uhr, schrieb Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com:
I would claim that's several steps by itself.
You're right, of course: but they are related: 1. implement design in HTML
5; 2. Minimal styling in CSS 2.1; 3. Migrate DTML to ZPT
2) Replace frames with aysnchronous
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Charlie Clark wrote:
Am 06.02.2010, 21:56 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver
tsea...@palladion.com:
You aren't ever going to get ZSQL migrated to use ZPT. ZPT is
a really poor fit for non-markup templates like SQL. Folks
writing modern apps tend to
Am 06.02.2010, 17:32 Uhr, schrieb Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com:
If the reason is entirely aesthetic, please consider that there is a ton
of documentation out there, including books in print, which refers to
the existing UI that's been in place for years and years. Changing it
purely
Am 07.02.2010, 18:21 Uhr, schrieb Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com:
Why do you want to write new apps on top of ZSQL? The only thing that is
more disgusting than writing SQL code is generating SQL code with DTML.
Sorry, but we are in the ORM world and using SQLAlchemy friends is
the much nicer
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Andreas Jung wrote:
Charlie Clark wrote:
Am 06.02.2010, 21:56 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver
tsea...@palladion.com:
You aren't ever going to get ZSQL migrated to use ZPT. ZPT is
a really poor fit for non-markup templates like SQL. Folks
writing
Am 05.02.2010, 15:43 Uhr, schrieb Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com:
Well, getting and iframe implementation with some really nice looking
CSS would be cool, indeed. I don't even think you need to get rid of
DTML for that.
I'd prefer to do without frames altogether and, to be honest, I don't
Am 05.02.2010, 19:29 Uhr, schrieb Roberto Allende ro...@menttes.com:
Regarding DTML... i wonder if it dtml purpose doesn't overlap with
tal/metal or even viewlets. If that's the case we wouldn't provide
'One-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it' and for non Dutch
newbies is kinda
On 2010-02-06, at 1257, Charlie Clark wrote:
Migrating from DTML to ZPT would add weight to the dog food
argument and
should be fairly straightforward. ZPT came on the scene shortly
after I
started playing with Zope and is one of the biggest reasons for me
sticking with it. The ZMI is
Hello,
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:29:03 -0300
Roberto Allende ro...@menttes.com wrote:
(snip)
Regarding DTML... i wonder if it dtml purpose doesn't overlap with
tal/metal or even viewlets. If that's the case we wouldn't provide
'One-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it' and for non
Am 06.02.2010, 15:21 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Wilkes
matt...@matthewwilkes.co.uk:
It seems like a lot of work for no gain. I can think of a couple of
examples where DTML templates are monkey-patched in Plone and none of
those are anything particularly vital. DTML works for the ZMI, new
Charlie Clark wrote:
Am 06.02.2010, 15:21 Uhr, schrieb Matthew Wilkes
matt...@matthewwilkes.co.uk:
It seems like a lot of work for no gain. I can think of a couple of
examples where DTML templates are monkey-patched in Plone and none of
those are anything particularly vital. DTML works for
Matthew Wilkes wrote:
On 2010-02-06, at 1257, Charlie Clark wrote:
Migrating from DTML to ZPT would add weight to the dog food
argument and
should be fairly straightforward. ZPT came on the scene shortly
after I
started playing with Zope and is one of the biggest reasons for me
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Charlie Clark wrote:
Am 05.02.2010, 19:29 Uhr, schrieb Roberto Allende ro...@menttes.com:
Regarding DTML... i wonder if it dtml purpose doesn't overlap with
tal/metal or even viewlets. If that's the case we wouldn't provide
'One-- and preferably
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 14:48, Charlie Clark
charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
This is something I would like to contribute to as it matches my skillset
and interests pretty well. From the responses so far it seems that most
people are so used to the ZMI that no change feels necessary
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 14:48, Charlie Clark
charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
This is something I would like to contribute to as it matches my skillset
and interests pretty well. From the responses so far it seems that most
people are so used to the ZMI that no
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Roberto Allende wrote:
Regarding DTML... i wonder if it dtml purpose doesn't overlap with
tal/metal or even viewlets. If that's the case we wouldn't provide
'One-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it' and for non Dutch
newbies :P is
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 04:59, Roberto Allende ro...@menttes.com wrote:
Probably at this point of the conversation is the right moment to ask if
it would make sense to improve Zope2's ZMI, removing frames and perhaps
DTML code and probably removing all the dtml from zope2.
I think it works just
Am 04.02.2010, 13:13 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
I think perhaps Robert meant to say that Zope2 would[ no longer use DTML
for any part of the ZMI, rather than removing the code which allows
users applications to use DTML.
This is something I would like to contribute to as
On 2010-02-04, Charlie Clark charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
Am 04.02.2010, 13:13 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
I think perhaps Robert meant to say that Zope2 would[ no longer use DTML
for any part of the ZMI, rather than removing the code which allows
users
On 02/04/2010 10:35 PM, Alex Clark wrote:
On 2010-02-04, Charlie Clark charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote:
Am 04.02.2010, 13:13 Uhr, schrieb Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com:
I think perhaps Robert meant to say that Zope2 would[ no longer use DTML
for any part of the ZMI, rather than
Hi all,
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still. Are
there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
There is a package zmi.core in the Zope-svn, but except some links to
other packages there is
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Tom Gross wrote:
Hi all,
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still.
Are there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
Get the frame-less ZMI by
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still. Are
there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
This is such a minor thing that if we do ever get to a stage where
we're having to get rid of the
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Tom Gross itconse...@gmail.com wrote:
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still. Are
there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
I'd very much expect the
On 02/03/2010 02:45 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Tom Gross itconse...@gmail.com wrote:
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still. Are
there any alternative implementations
Hi,
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:20:08 +0100
Tom Gross itconse...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still. Are
there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
There is
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Tom Gross itconse...@gmail.com wrote:
with HTML5 the frame-elements will die. It will probably take some
years before the browser-support of HTML4 will stop, but still. Are
there any alternative implementations for the Zope2-ZMI?
I'd
Hi,
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:59:52 -0300
Roberto Allende ro...@menttes.com wrote:
(snip)
Probably at this point of the conversation is the right moment to ask if
it would make sense to improve Zope2's ZMI, removing frames and perhaps
DTML code and probably removing all the dtml from zope2.
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