Hello Marshall, et al
How much Vitamin C do you add for aprox 10PPM sol made with Bruce Marx's
device.
Has the issue of Ionic v. particulate been resolved? Can you comment?
Thank you,
Jim
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Marshall <mdud...@king-cart.com> wrote:
> **
> Hydrogen peroxide is what is called a redox agent, it both reduces and
> oxidizes. For silver here are the equations:
>
> Ag + H2O2 -> H2O + AgO
> AgO + H2O2 -> Ag + H2O + O2
>
> To make pure colloid from ionic one can add vitamin C, ascorbic acid,
> which is only a reducing/antioxidant.
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/25/2012 7:49 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
>
>
>
> H2O2 and silver goes both ways.
>
> The Bell rocket belt is powered by H2O2 sprayed on a silver grid,
> producing steam.
> H2O2 will make silver oxides AND unmake them.
>
> Ode
>
>
> At 03:55 PM 4/24/2012 -0500, you wrote:
>
> I don't think that H2O2 or Oxyclean qualify as "reducing agents" since
> they are oxidizers.
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Ode Coyote
> <odecoy...@windstream.net><odecoy...@windstream.net>wrote:
> >
> > I see quite a number of mis-truths in the manual.
> >
> > Electrolysis using only pure water and pure silver makes no
> photo-reactive
> > compounds, thus no need for colored glass to store it.
> >
> > The photo showing particles was done using a TEM which requires drying
> the
> > sample which CREATES those particles of silver oxide...they weren't in
> the
> > water at all.
> >
> > Adding H2O2 to a fresh batch will make it flash brownish...likely
> > Tetrasilver Tetroxide, a patented germ killer that is touted to work by
> in
> > vivo ion exchange.
> > Their reducing agent might be similar to "Oxyclean" an H2O2 based bleach.
> > [Turn your Golden hair into Platinum and have even more fun, girls. ]
> > The "non measurable particles" would be a form of silver oxide. [There
> are 4
> > or 5 different forms of silver oxide ]
> >
> > It's Silver Oxide that makes CS look yellow or amber...the same black
> stuff
> > that collects on one electrode when using the DC method and makes the
> golden
> > mist when the current density is too high so that it forms in the water
> > instead of staying on the electrode.
> > If you dip a black electrode in H2O2, it destroys that black stuff just
> like
> > it clears out the yellow /amber color out of the CS.
> >
> > Scrubbing the electrodes is a shear waste of silver.
> > The dull appearance is due to pitting of the surface, not
> > contamination...so, bulldoze a mountain to remove a creek bed?
> >
> > Their method for using the TDS meter is backwards, but may give a nearly
> > accurate number by accident if done under the right conditions.
> > ..makes the CS look stronger than it really is.
> > I think that both the ions [Ag+] AND anions [OH-] add conductivity and
> they
> > will reach a balance of mutual encounter probabilities according to
> > concentration. [the max being 30 uS ]
> > Â Also "some"Â silver oxide will dissolve in the water and stay that
> way,
> > adding to conductivity and not making particles big enough to be
> seen...but
> > not much.
> > The number you get from a meter doesn't match the number derived from an
> aa
> > spectrophotometer [which ACTUALLY measures PPM, but doesn't differentiate
> > forms of silver ]Â until the conductivity stops dropping.
> >
> > That's counting apples to see how many oranges you have, but both fruits
> are
> > about the same size. [once the lemons and limes that CAN turn into the
> > oranges you are trying to count, turn into those oranges ]
> >
> > More?
> >
> > What stir rate does to the numbers and size of silver hydroxide chunks.
> > Why Fred Sprauge [now deceased] who once made the illustrious
> microprocessor
> > controlled Custom Electronics LLC "Smart Silver" generator changed his
> > stirrer to a direct copy after trying to figure it out for 7 years.
> >
> > What electrode tip discharge does to current density and electrode
> erosion.
> > [Bend those tips slightly away from each other and the electrodes will
> last
> > a lot longer...better yet, get the tips out of the water...something else
> > that the "Smart Silver" copied and Fred admitted to.]
> >
> > Â "Sorry 'bout that Ode"..It's OK Fred.
> > We both learned something when we traded units and mixed the parts.
> > He was a good guy with a good product that didn't need distortions and
> > emotional manipulation to sell itself.
> > Who better to share a market with ?
> >
> > Ode
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:52 AM 4/22/2012 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> > http://www.silverlungs.com/latest_user_manual_hm_ez_v.pdf
> >
> > The manual for SilverLungs describes adding a "reducing agent" to
> convert an
> > ionic solution to a colloidal silver. They have a photo of it turning
> amber
> > color. Any idea what it is, and if it is legit?
> >
> > David
>
>
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