By the way, I have been thinking of the end section of the winch line to be high start tube with a over stretch limiting line at its hollow core (or simply outside). This allow experimenting without having to swap the whole drum of line. But then the tube drag become the problem. :-) Once more, it is leagle to use stretching line? -YK Chan Seattle area. In a message dated 10/27/99 6:15:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The other possible solution out of the finding that stretching lines are good for high starting might be to try and put a piece ouf standard bungee-rubber into the winchline. Has anyone ever tryed that (should become a high performance bungee whinch shootoutlaunch) Thomas >> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]