There was a good case for this Subs pricing for Soft, but I think you’re gonna have to let the Silver Subs thing go, for now anyway.
G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Helzle Sent: 12 July 2012 15:26 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: price increases? Interesting! Now add a silver subscription for ~300 - 400 Euro and even I may think about it again. Add another silver subscription option without Mental Ray for ~200 Euro and I'm sold ;-) Cheers, Tom http://www.screendream.de On 12 July 2012 13:56, Matt Morris <matt...@gmail.com<mailto:matt...@gmail.com>> wrote: I've just been informed that as of 1st august prices for subscription in the UK will be dropped down to £545. (Still gold subscription) That's a much more reasonable 20% increase on my last subscription, rather than 70%, and I will probably now upgrade. I wonder how many subscriptions Autodesk has lost through this period though. There must have been a fair few like me who decided it was a pretty unreasonable hike! On 9 July 2012 17:48, John Richard Sanchez <youngupstar...@gmail.com<mailto:youngupstar...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hmmm Well I was paying $795 a year for subscription for XSI last year, I upgraded to the suite and now my Subscription price is 1,300per year for full suport or $900 for just upgrades and no phone support. Thats a pretty steep increase thought It was my choice to upgrade. Still trying to decide if the 1,300 is worth the money. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:26 AM, <pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be>> wrote: yes, '6 versions' made me wonder if a pre-autodesk version could become upgradeable again - which didn’t sound like autodesk. then again, if it’s a way to get people back to being a paying customer, it would be beneficial... -----Original Message----- From: Graham Bell Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:25 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: price increases? I think for Soft its different, as 6 versions back takes it into Avid territory and am not sure how that stands, etc. Though Soft 7.5 was post acquisition so not sure about that particular version? It appears they have followed the standard support policy which is the current verion and 3 versions back - 2012, 2011 and 2010. -----Original Message----- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> Sent: 02 July 2012 19:44 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: price increases? thanks for getting back graham, hm 2010, that’s only 3 releases back then - not 6. Oh well. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Bell Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 6:56 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: price increases? Apologies for the late reply, but I believe (though TBC) that the oldest upgradeable version for Softimage is 2010. -----Original Message----- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of pete...@skynet.be<mailto:pete...@skynet.be> Sent: 22 June 2012 20:00 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: price increases? thanks Graham for the clear information. it beats rumours, and this doesn’t sound like 'evil coorporation' schemes to me, more like standardization of policies. can you find out which the oldest upgradeable version is? -----Original Message----- From: Graham Bell Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:53 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: RE: price increases? Ok, so after following this thread, I met with some of my colleagues and we sat down to go through the recent pricing announcements and perhaps try and make it clearer, the best that we can. So here goes, however this is just from a Europe/EMEA view. Also to the best of my knowledge this applies to the majority of Autodesk software, not just M&E, though there are some exceptions, I don't know them all. Changes to the upgrade model for Autodesk software: Basically for those who don't know, Autodesk has pricing models for when someone wants to upgrade an old version of software to the current version, if they haven't been on Subscription (for whatever reason). From February 1st 2013, these models are changing On February 1st 2013, the upgrade pricing model will change so that upgrades from 1 - 3 versions back will increase from 50% of the new licence SRP to 70% of the new licence SRP. Upgrades from 4 - 6 versions back will remain at 70% of the new licence SRP. Upgrades from versions older than 6 releases back will not be upgradeable. Many customers are actually on subscription already, and this continues to be the most cost effective way to keep your software current. Subscription price changes: Autodesk has recently increased the cost of new subscriptions across many product lines - these changes apply to subscription renewals from February 1st 2013. However, there is an exception for Softimage which wasn't mentioned because at this time it is not confirmed. As previously discussed on this list and other forums the Softimage subscription price has changed within the last year, and is only available as a gold subscription (not wanting to open this debate here). The subscription price for Softimage is not expected to increase further and in many cases might reduce back to a previous price. I do not know exact details, but information on local prices is expected soon. And again, I must state that I'm talking from a Europe/EMEA view. I don't have any information outside of that. Multi-year subscription discounts to be phased out: On August 1st 2012, the discounts for multi-year subscription will reduce from 10% to 5% for 3 year contracts and from 5% to 0% for 2 year contracts On February 1st 2013, the discount for a 3 year renewal will reduce from 5% to 0% So that's basically the pricing announcements that Autodesk recently made which were only focused around the upgrade models and Subscriptions. As for anything else, and to the best of my knowledge, there are no further price changes planned at this time in EMEA. Unfortunately I cannot absolutely state that this won't change in the future or that there will not be some exceptions. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Thomas Cannell Sent: 19 June 2012 21:50 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: price increases? Modo does in fact have the ability to edit and build materials with nodes. Just add them into the Schematic view and connect away. You will still have to use it in conjunction with the tree for certain effects as it won't support everything you can do with tree. On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com><mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>> wrote: Steffen, sorry for the confusion - they call it Rendertree as well ;-) While it's not node based (and I really am a node addict myself) this is much less of a problem than I thought, in some areas it's even better. Now that I used it for a while, my old impression (not so different from yours, Steffen) has changed a lot. BTW. Lightwave isn't "layerbased" and never really was, Ronald? Current versions of Lightwave (for many years now actually) have full blown node shading which is in some areas better than XSI (no conversion nodes, yay ;-) ) and less good in others (some factory shaders are a bit simple). But I think the Lightwave Renderer is still top notch and GI is very fast. Again, I don't think modo is for everybody, but IMO it's more artist friendly and -centered approach goes a long way towards getting stuff done fast where the big packages can be a bit long in the tooth. Regarding the price: 20 years ago even a rotating cube was considered awesome and you needed a lot of special knowledge, gear and patience for even the most simple stuff. Been there, done that. But the times are changing and today 3D is no longer something special. I see an inflation happening: falling rates, cheaper, better and faster gear, more people wanting "in" etc. The big tools are up against Blender - with Cycles, Camera Tracking, Volumetrics, Fluids, Compositing etc. today. Very very different times IMO. I can't see how Autodesk prices are cost-of-development driven in any reasonable way. The packages they have already exist. They are noodling around with them a bit, but the last time I saw something really impressive in a major 3D package was ICE in XSI 7. But anyway, I don't want to convince anybody of anything here, it's just that I get the impression of a serious "Stockholm Syndrome" from some of the discussions on this list ;-) Each to his own - YMMV Best regards, Tom On 19 June 2012 12:55, Steffen Dünner <steffen.duen...@googlemail.com<mailto:steffen.duen...@googlemail.com><mailto:steffen.duen...@googlemail.com<mailto:steffen.duen...@googlemail.com>>> wrote: 2012/6/19 Thomas Helzle <thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com><mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com<mailto:thomashel...@gmail.com>>> especially their render tree They have a render tree? Node based? Last time I checked, all I found was some sort of layer-based stack that felt somehow "ancient". Can you point me to a tutorial or feature description that shows this render tree? I would be very interested in it. 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