"With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises" They already do. www.kickstarter.com
Back on topic I can't imagine any large facility to be able to operate without support, so yes it's used and it's needed. Most if not all of bugfixes are usually implemented in major releases afterwards, so everyone benefits in the end. On 16 October 2013 19:46, Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com> wrote: > As I recall salesman is supposed to attract customer to gain their trust > and support. > Now it is other way around??? > Customers should give their total support and money in order to be treated > like customers?? > > Actually there is something similar happening with buying games as well... > Before there was always demo to show potential audience what is offered so > they can decide whether to buy. > Now it is all up to buy before seeing pre-purchase policy. > Is consumer market, both games and software that much brained washed??? > > With this rate soon people will be pre-ordering ideas and empty promises. > Oh wait that is already happening.. subscription? paying upfront for > something that you maybe will receive.. someday.. maybe? > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:25 PM, jim bough <jimbo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Isn't that the point? They are trying to increase income, this is their >> plan, they are being forthright about it, now it's up to users to decide >> whether that investment is worth it. >> Perhaps, if more people were on the Softimage subscription model, >> paying into r&d efforts, we might see a different software landscape today. >> I said perhaps. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400 >> From: digim...@digimata.com >> >> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model >> >> I agreed with with Matt, we are still using 7.01, since we didn't upgrade >> from 7.01 to 7.5 when Autodesk bought Softimage from Avid >> now, we can't upgrade even if we want to. We would have been paying a lot >> over these years. >> >> Leoung >> >> On 10/16/2013 1:35 PM, Matt Lind wrote: >> >> I dispute it’s better to stay on subscription. >> >> >> >> Case in point being the fact we were stuck on Softimage 7.5 for nearly 5 >> years, not because we didn’t want to upgrade, but because there were no >> releases without technical issues preventing our upgrade. Being forced >> into subscription would be more expensive than the perpetual license model >> as we’d have to continue paying AD with no return to show for it. Under >> the perpetual license model we wouldn’t be obligated to pay anything. >> >> >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Graham Bell >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:22 AM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model >> >> >> >> Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on >> another forum as part of an ongoing thread…. >> >> >> >> I think there's a lot of crossed wires here over his news and just >> assuming that Autodesk are following Adobe literally to the letter. Yes, >> there are Suites and now we have rental options (you can still buy >> perpetual), but this news is really just about Autodesk discontinuing their >> upgrade model. As of Feb 1st 2015 (still over a year away), users will be >> unable to upgrade old versions to the current version. >> >> >> >> Regarding upgrades and what the term actually means, this is the ability >> to upgrade an Autodesk product from a previous version to the current >> version. So for example, someone has purchased a product and they may have >> stopped their subscription (if they bought it) for a period of time, and >> they then wish to upgrade to the most current version of their software. >> >> >> >> Autodesk currently allow customer to upgrade their software to the >> current version, for a fee. Until this year, there were different upgrade >> pricing depending on how old the software version was, that someone wanted >> to upgrade from. Also, (if I recall) there was no limit to how old a >> version of software was, that someone wanted to upgrade. >> >> >> >> As of this year, the upgrade policy was changed and basically simplified. >> Only the previous 6 versions will remain upgradeable. Owners of older >> software versions who wanted the current version would need to purchase >> entirely new licenses. >> >> >> >> If you did have a version eligible for upgrading, a single pricing >> structure was put in place. User upgrading to the current version, would >> have to pay 70% of the new license price for an upgrade. >> >> >> >> Essentially, the idea of staying on an old version of software and then >> just paying to upgrade to the current version when you thought it was >> necessary, becomes detrimental to actually just keeping on subscription. To >> keep up to date and have previous version usage, it actually makes more >> sense to remain on subscription. >> >> >> >> >> >> G >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Sterling >> *Sent:* 16 October 2013 00:06 >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model >> >> >> >> is this it for maya ? >> >> http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-maya/buy >> >> >> >> On 15 October 2013 23:48, Sergio Mucino <sergio.muc...@modusfx.com> >> wrote: >> >> Autodesk is for some reason following Adobe's footsteps quite accurately. >> Adobe started selling suites... Adesk did. Adobe goes rental... Adesk >> follows. I really can't tell how positive or not the change will be, and >> what it will mean for the future of the tools... I guess we'll have to wait >> and see. The reactions to these decisions have been varied (some people are >> not happy at all, some are quite happy). >> >> >> >> On 15/10/2013 4:52 PM, Sven Constable wrote: >> >> Of course I meant one third of the costs for every tool, not three. And I >> used "thirds" as a term incorrectly. It was lost in translation. Sorry >> about that. >> >> >> >> sven >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Sven Constable >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* RE: Autodesk´s Sales model >> >> >> >> uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut any development costs by >> three thirds in particular and sell all three as one package for a higher >> price? And make it sound a good deal because costumers will get three tools >> instead of one even they don't need one or two of them? Maybe I do not >> comprehend here. >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Brassard >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:16 PM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Autodesk´s Sales model >> >> >> >> It is this article and the current Softimage cross-grade offer that make >> me decide to take the jump to the Ultimate Suite. I am glad I did, I can >> now test plugins and shaders on the three platforms and do other things as >> well. And enough money left for some nice plugins or apps too. >> >> >> >> AD may have a smart thing going here, let's see what the future bring. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Alan Fregtman <alan.fregt...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Did you read the whole thing? >> >> >> >> >From the article: >> >> *"The plan is to shift customers away from single product purchases >> toward suites, and to move from buying perpetual licenses to acquiring >> software on long-term subscription or short-term rental."* >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, David Rivera < >> activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> I came across this link: >> >> >> http://gfxspeak.com/2013/10/02/autodesk-sales-strategy-includes-discontinuing-upgrade-purchases/ >> >> >> >> So what happened to the "rental" sales model? >> >> >> >> David R. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- ---------- Michal http://uk.linkedin.com/in/mdoniec
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