Chris - I'm not following. Hydraulics does not influence the flow rate through the storz connection. The flow rate is limited by the size of the connection. For example if you need a 1,000 GPM flow rate, two 4" storz would be the minimum number allowed by NFPA 14.
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Click here <https://www.firesprinkler.org/sprinkler-apprentice-training/> to learn more and enroll. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 6:57 AM Chris Wilson <chr...@tvfpinc.com> wrote: > > _________________________________________________________ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > I would hope there would be a provision that if you hydraulicly prove it > whit one connection that should be acceptable. > > > > Christopher S. Wilson SET > > Project Design Manager > > Treasure Valley Fire Protection > > 2731 S. Saturn Way > > Boise, ID 83709 > > Phone: 208-362-1888 > > Fax: 208-362-2207 > > > > please note all TVFP email > > addresses have changed > > new email below > > > > chr...@tvfpinc.com <chr...@tvfp.us> > > > > *From:* Steve Leyton <st...@protectiondesign.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2024 10:48 AM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Cc:* Dewayne Martinez <dmarti...@total-mechanical.com> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: FDC for Standpipe > > > > That’s hydraulics. If you can deliver the demand with no more inlet > pressure than the FD is willing to accept, I think you can use 4” for the > FDC. > > > > > > The foregoing is my opinion only and does not represent NFPA or the NFPA > 14 Technical Committee, nor intended to serve as an interpretation of the > standard. > > > > *Protection Design and Consulting* > > Steve Leyton, President > > T *|* 619.255.8964 x 102 *| * > *www.protectiondesign.com <http://www.protectiondesign.com/> *2851 Camino > Del Rio South *|* Suite 210 *|* San Diego, CA 92108 > Fire Protection System Design *|* Consulting *|* Planning *|* Training > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Dewayne Martinez <dmarti...@total-mechanical.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2024 9:30 AM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Cc:* Dewayne Martinez <dmarti...@total-mechanical.com> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: FDC for Standpipe > > > > Would a 5”x4” Storz be 750gpm because of the Storz connection size or > 500gpm because of the pipe? > > > > *From:* John Denhardt <jdenha...@firesprinkler.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2024 10:39 AM > *To:* Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject:* [Sprinklerforum] Re: FDC for Standpipe > > > > Here is the reference: > > NFPA 14 - 2024 > > *10.7.3.1.1 * > > Where a 4 in. (100 mm) inlet is used, the assumed flow per inlet shall be > 500 gpm (1900 L/min). > > *10.7.3.1.2 * > > Where a 5 in. (125 mm) inlet is used, the assumed flow per inlet shall be > 750 gpm (2850 L/min). > > > *The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal > interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee > Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA assumes no > liability for this opinion or actions taken on it and they are not to be > considered the official position of the **AFSA, and/or NFPA or its > technical committees.**AFSA cannot provide design or consulting > engineering services, and this opinion should therefore not be considered, > nor relied upon, as such.* > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > John August Denhardt, PE > > *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > > m: p: > > 301-343-1457 > 214-349-5965 ext 121 > > w: > > firesprinkler.org > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/05225bcc/ClJhZiur_EuTVK5AEN1N7A?u=http://firesprinkler.org/> > > > > > > > *Treat Your Apprentices Like VIPs!* > > AFSA’s Virtual Instruction Program (VIP) for Apprentices is training that > comes straight from our expert instructors. They lead the way to ensure > your men and women are trained, letting you focus on OJT. Click here > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/0d0f910e/I3IXFpacwkKPqQT68TdoAA?u=https://www.firesprinkler.org/sprinkler-apprentice-training/> > to > learn more and enroll. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:25 AM John Denhardt < > jdenha...@firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > To all - review NFPA 14 -2024 as it has new requirements for 4" and 5" > storz connections. > > 4" is limited to 500 GPM per connection > > 5" is limited to 750 GPM per connection > > > > Unfortunately, I'm at a conference where my internet connection is very > limited, otherwise I would give you a section reference. > > > > > *The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal > interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee > Projects. This is provided with the understanding that the AFSA assumes no > liability for this opinion or actions taken on it and they are not to be > considered the official position of the **AFSA, and/or NFPA or its > technical committees.**AFSA cannot provide design or consulting > engineering services, and this opinion should therefore not be considered, > nor relied upon, as such.* > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > John August Denhardt, PE > > *Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services* > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > > m: p: > > 301-343-1457 > 214-349-5965 ext 121 > > w: > > firesprinkler.org > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/05225bcc/ClJhZiur_EuTVK5AEN1N7A?u=http://firesprinkler.org/> > > > > > > > *Treat Your Apprentices Like VIPs!* > > AFSA’s Virtual Instruction Program (VIP) for Apprentices is training that > comes straight from our expert instructors. They lead the way to ensure > your men and women are trained, letting you focus on OJT. Click here > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/0d0f910e/I3IXFpacwkKPqQT68TdoAA?u=https://www.firesprinkler.org/sprinkler-apprentice-training/> > to > learn more and enroll. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:09 AM Ken Wagoner <k...@parsleyconsulting.com> > wrote: > > Brian, > > Yes, I have been required to provide such a connection in the past. It > has been rare, and it was a gorilla sized high rise building. > > For me arguing with the AHJ over this seemed pointless. > > sincerely, > > *Ken Wagoner, SET* > *Parsley Consulting* > > * 500 West Mechanic Street Harrisonville, Missouri 64701-2235* > *Phone: (760) 745-6181 * > *Visit the website > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/dde5c241/bF3XlLWBtU65V9CSGGAr2A?u=https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%253a%252f%252fwww.parsleyconsulting.com%252f%26c=E%2C1%2CY5zKJKPEh1mBEBqSR-VE9cUKl5y-eyP8BpvmE_5j9ZqW2eJbNphYzrCMBZ-2YuX6d-RRkHI4gQ1FV-cvOeCfRC58uZS9NiToZv2mx7909oCqLvCW_n5hDHeK%26typo=1>* > > > > On 3/14/2024 10:01 AM, Brian Harris wrote: > > Anybody ever had an AHJ required a 4-way FDC with (4) Storz connections to > feed a standpipe? I get the (1) 2-1/2” connection per 250 gpm but you’re > also allowed a “large diameter” hose connection. In this case the current > FDC is a 5” Storz on 6” underground. > > > > Thank you, > > > > *Brian Harris, CET* > > BVS Systems Inc. > > bvssystemsinc.com > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/c471525e/x4UtYt2Sbk2diYD-cOmpjg?u=http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > > Phone: 704.896.9989 > > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > SprinklerForum mailing list: > > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/eb95be2f/xJ_tzfhPPESks3df1GbOsw?u=https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org> > > To unsubscribe send an email to sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > SprinklerForum mailing list: > https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org > <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/eb95be2f/xJ_tzfhPPESks3df1GbOsw?u=https://lists.firesprinkler.org/list/sprinklerforum.lists.firesprinkler.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to > sprinklerforum-le...@lists.firesprinkler.org > >
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