On 06/15/2017 04:11 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:
All,

While working on my SQLAlchemy-based application, I noticed an opportunity to provide a more concise, Pythonic query syntax. For example, User['jack'].addresses produces a Query for the Address of a User named jack. I had two questions

 1. Has someone already done this? If so, would you provide a link?
 2. If not, would this be reasonable for inclusion in SQLAlchemy, either
    as an ORM example, or as a part of the core code base? If so, I can
    submit a pull request.



Hi Bryan -

thanks for working on this.

I can see a lot of variety of ways that systems like this might work. For example, I notice we are building up an expression, but instead of sending it to a function like session.run_query(my_query), you've flipped it around to say my_query.to_query(session). We do have a similar approach with the "baked" query API, where you build up BakedQuery without a session then call baked_query.for_session(session).

It seems like there's maybe a theme to this recipe which is that it makes a certain subset of query structures more succinct, but at the expense of serving only a limited set of types of queries. It seems like an expression can either select from just the lead entity, or from a single column, then if I wanted more entities I need to drop into query.add_entity(). It's not clear how I'd select only a SQL expression, e.g. "SELECT lower(fullname) FROM jack", etc. I do like how the functionality of __getitem__ is essentially pluggable. That's a nice concept to add to a "query convenience" system.

There are other patterns like this, the most common are entity-bound query generators like "User.query" which these days is mostly popular with Flask. There's a lot of query helpers and facades around within individual projects. However in SQLAlchemy itself, we've moved away from providing or endorsing helpers like these built in due to the fact that they create one API for running the subset of queries that happen to fall under the convenience syntax, and then you have to use a different API for queries that fall outside of the convenience syntax. When a single product presents multiple, overlapping APIs, it generally causes confusion in learning the product. It's easier for people to understand a particular convenience API as an entirely separate add-on.

SQLAlchemy certainly suffers from this in any case, such as that we have both "classical mapping" and "declarative", "Core" and "ORM" querying styles, things like that; though historically, we've put lots of effort into making it so that if you are using ORM Query, you really don't need to use Core at all for just about any structure of query, and similarly Declarative has totally replaced mapper() in virtually all cases. Long ago we bundled a convenience library called SQLSoup, which I eventually broke out into a separate project, and then I later added the "automap" extension as a more fundamentals-based system to get the same effect without using an alternate query API.

I've always encouraged people to write other kinds of query languages on top of SQLAlchemy's language. There's another style that I've yet to see someone implement for SQLAlchemy, even though it's quite doable, which is to parse Python AST into SQLAlchemy queries, with an emphasis on generator expressions acting like SELECT constructs. There are two SQL libraries, one very old and unknown called GeniuSQL, and one current ORM called Pony, that use this approach. I'm not a fan of the AST / generator approach but lots of people think it's very "cool and Pythonic" because it certainly looks clever, I've been asking folks to please build a proof of concept for this system to run on top of SQLAlchemy as well.

Basically I want to encourage a whole ecosystem of APIs on top of SQLAlchemy's (also see my old blog post at http://techspot.zzzeek.org/2011/05/17/magic-a-new-orm/ for some notes on this), but as far as SQLA itself we do very well by purposely sticking just to the "basic" API that can do everything in one consistent way, without particular endorsement of one style or another.

I would encourage you to work your idea into a package you can release on Pypi and add some sphinx documentation. I get the sense it might be able to do more than I'm seeing at the moment.

- mike




A quick comparison of this statement to the traditional approach:

|
User['jack'].addresses
Query([]).select_from(User).filter(User.name =='jack').join(Address).add_entity(Address)
|

A few more (complete) examples of this approach:
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# Ask for the full User object for jack.
User['jack'].to_query(session)
# Ask only for Jack's full name.
User['jack'].fullname.to_query(session)
# Get all of Jack's addresses.
User['jack'].addresses.to_query(session)
# Get just the email-address of all of Jack's addresses.
User['jack'].addresses.email_address.to_query(session)
# Get just the email-address j...@yahoo.com of Jack's addresses.
User['jack'].addresses['j...@yahoo.com'].to_query(session)
# Ask for the full Address object for j...@yahoo.com.
Address['j...@yahoo.com'].to_query(session)
# Ask for the User associated with this address.
Address['j...@yahoo.com'].user.to_query(session)
# Use a filter criterion to select a User with a full name of Jack Bean.
User[User.fullname =='Jack Bean'].to_query(session)
# Use two filter criteria to find the user named jack with a full name of Jack Bean.
User['jack'][User.fullname =='Jack Bean'].to_query(session)
# Look for the user with id 1.
User[1].to_query(session)
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Tested on Python 3.6.1, Windows 10, SQLAlchemy 1.1.10. I've attached the code, and a HTML document of the code with helpful hyperlinks.

Bryan
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