Is there a way to get the Stoves Digest without having to go through repetitious previous posts?
For example, to get from message 1 to message 3, this much material (see below, between the ++++++++++ and ++++++++++++) has to be plowed through. Then it's repeated to get from message x to message x+1, etc, etc. It does make a difference if I'm watching my internet meter ticking while looking for nuggets of information. Thanks. +++++++++ 2014/1/23, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpig...@gmail.com>: > Dear Nolbert > > > > There are rules for importation of charcoal to the EU one of which is that > the source has to be harvested sustainably. An example of a success > according to this rule is that Senegal is exporting charcoaled extruded > biomass logs made from Tiffa or bulrushes. They have invaded the banks of > the Senegal river below the big dams (which cut off the annual flooding) > and > are therefore 'new and sustainable'. > > > > If you have a stove or a bank of stoves producing charcoal, you may be > required to show that the raw fuel used was harvested sustainably. Well, it > is really likely you will have to show that. > > > > Regards > > Crispin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-boun...@lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of > Nolbert Muhumuza > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:36 AM > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Forestry and fuel > > > > Hello, > > > > Am actually surprised that Africa is exporting charcoal to Europe! > > > > Well, there are numerous initiatives in Uganda making carbonized > briquettes. > This could be the same all around Africa and this is our chance to make > quality briquettes mainly for domestic use (from straws, dry leaves, > carpentry reside etc) and we can sell the surplus > > - which should be a motivation for these produces. > > > > I will share this article with stovers in Uganda. > > > > Nolbert. > > > > > > > > 2014/1/20, Richard Stanley < <mailto:rstan...@legacyfound.org> > rstan...@legacyfound.org>: > >> Agreed Teddy, lakiini. > >> The real issue is that some feel it is not a problem at all. > >> We can use all the crumbs ad dust generated at the charcoal sellers > >> stall use it as 40% of the filler in an ordinarily grass straw leaf > >> ago residue briquette and turn the briquete into a charcoal like > >> performance with double the value--all while reducing demand for the lump > charcoal considerably. > >> The late Charles Onyando and before him Francis Oloo in Kangemi were > >> doing just that. Francis and Mary Kavitas out of Miumbuni (former > >> Makweni > >> district) continue to train others nationally and regionally on same > >> as does James Ochieng and Beatrice Atoh's group at Hook Kenya working > >> out of Kibera in Nbi, and several other trainers in chi yako/Kenya/ to > this day. > >> I will send you the email links to my colleagues if you want them. > >> > >> Basi haya kwa asa rafiki, > >> Richard Stanley > >> de Nicaragua > >> > >> Richard > >> On Jan 20, 2014, at 1:17 AM, Cookswell Jikos wrote: > >> > >> Dear Richard, > >> > >> Well said... ''If this is the case, I fail to see how we are not are > >> going to be with fuelwood dependency for a long time to come.'' > >> > >> Interestingly enough, I was just reading this article on Nigerian > >> charcoal exports to West Europe - to the tune of 2-300 containers a >> month. > >> <http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/10/high-demand-nigerian-charcoal-eu-co> > http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/10/high-demand-nigerian-charcoal-eu-co > >> untries/ > >> > >> > >> The fact that developed countries like Belgium and Holland are buying > >> massive amounts of charcoal from Africa (same with the Middle East, > >> Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc. and Somali charcoal), leads me to believe that > >> perhaps advocating, promoting and undertaking tree growing and farm > >> forestry is indeed a very lucky opportunity for improved biomass > >> cookstove industry players to take part in. > >> > >> Biomass cookstove manufacturer's, retailers and people who give them > >> away for free, have everything to gain by promoting better > >> woodfuel/biomass energy security as part of their corporate social > >> investment programs and also its just good for future business. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Teddy > >> > >> Cookswell Jikos > >> <http://www.cookswell.co.ke> www.cookswell.co.ke > >> <http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos > >> <http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com > >> Mobile: +254 700 380 009 > >> Mobile: +254 700 905 913 > >> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Richard Stanley > >> < <mailto:rstan...@legacyfound.org> rstan...@legacyfound.org> > >> wrote: > >> Ron, Teddy et all concerned with the Samer's cited FAO report. > >> > >> Impressive data sources but it seems to be contrary to my own experience > for > >> what its worth. Having lived in Malawi, Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya for > >> many years, in the 70's then revisiting for extended periods all of > >> these locations in the first decade of the 2000's I have seen the > >> effects of wood use -primarily for fuel - and it is substantial, and > >> not pretty. Here in mezzo America now it is more widely reported that > >> it is the expansion of large scale industrial agriculture and biofuel > >> farming that is tearing apart natural forest lands..fine but the > >> destruction of traditional forested land for industrial agriculture > >> is a one time thing.. The steady depletion of the forests, due to, > >> primarily, fuelwood demand in MAlawi Kenya and Tanzania especially is > >> not only ongoing but expanding with population growth. > >> > >> The notion of a fuelwood ladder aside, the demographic of the > >> expansion of the mass population in the developing nations favors, > >> sadly, the growth of the more marginalized, less educated, less well > >> employed and more fuelwood dependent segments of the population. > >> Almost everywhere I look I see this to be the case. Their desperation > >> for fuelwood and decent income at large, is only exacerbated by >> industrial > agriculture and biofuel farming. > >> > >> If this is the case, I fail to see how we are not are going to be with > >> fuelwood dependency for a long time to come. Personally, I see no > >> less use of wood/charcoal to day than I did in the 70's at lease in > >> amongst the mass population in the mentioned countries. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Richard Stanley > >> <http://www.legcayfound.org> www.legcayfound.org > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 14, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Ronal W. Larson wrote: > >> > >> Teddy: > >> > >> 1. Thanks for the cite below. Slide #36 implies that FAO is not > >> doing a very credible job in reporting on charcoal consumption. Off by a > factor of > >> about 100 (that is 10,000% error). I was pleased to see the FAO report > >> cite by Samer yesterday (given below). Now I am not so sure. Can > >> anyone defend the FAO data collection effort on charcoal? > >> > >> 2. The slideshow refers to a special 2013 issue of ESD on charcoal. > >> Looks good, but I haven't had a chance yet to see if my library > >> carries it for free. Anyone able to comment on what that issue is > >> saying about deforestation? > >> > >> 3. Returning to your recent response about your own char-making stoves > not > >> being accepted. It seemed you might have been testing a stove where > >> the char was both made and used in the same stove. TLUD proponents > >> would say that is not likely to work. Can you clarify on what type of > >> char-making/using stove you were producing? > >> > >> Ron > >> > >> > >> On Jan 13, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cookswell Jikos > >> < <mailto:cookswellji...@gmail.com> cookswellji...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dear Samer, > >>> > >>> Thanks for sharing, but if indeed this is fully the case, I wonder > >>> why the reduction of deforestation features so heavily on most > >>> cookstove marketing pitches. (even mine sometimes!) > >>> > >>> Further interesting reading that somewhat supports this is a very > >>> good presentation done by ICRAF recently, that is aptly titled, "What > >>> Happened to the Charcoal Crisis" > >>> <http://www.slideshare.net/agroforestry/miyuki-iiyamaicrafcharcoal-rev> > http://www.slideshare.net/agroforestry/miyuki-iiyamaicrafcharcoal-rev > >>> iew2013 > >>> > >>> > >>> It is a very good systematic review of many other woodfuel papers in > >>> East Africa. It seems to be that on farm woodfuel is becoming more > >>> and more of income generating wood energy source. > >>> > >>> All the best, > >>> > >>> Teddy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cookswell Jikos > >>> <http://www.cookswell.co.ke> www.cookswell.co.ke > >>> <http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos> >>> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos > >>> <http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com > >>> Mobile: +254 700 380 009 > >>> Mobile: +254 700 905 913 > >>> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Samer Abdelnour > >>> < <mailto:samer.abdeln...@gmail.com> samer.abdeln...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Dear all, > >>> Just to contribute on the deforestation discussion. A dated (1997) by > >>> excellent resource by the FAO, which concluded that deforestation > >>> occurs mainly as a result of pressures for agricultural land, > >>> logging, and national infrastructure projects, not for cooking. > >>> > >>> <http://www.fao.org/docrep/w7744e/w7744e06.htm> > http://www.fao.org/docrep/w7744e/w7744e06.htm > >>> > >>> Of course, I applaud efforts to source cleaner, more sustainable fuel. > >>> Perhaps these should be grounded in location specific challenges (i.e. > >>> community nurseries), not distorted by general mythologies associated > >>> with global problems and magic bullets. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Samer > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Stoves mailing list > >>> > >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >>> <mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> >>> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org > >>> > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >>> <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioener> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioener > >>> gylists.org > >>> > >>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > >>> <http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Stoves mailing list > >>> > >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >>> <mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> >>> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org > >>> > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >>> <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioener> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioener > >>> gylists.org > >>> > >>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > >>> <http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Stoves mailing list > >> > >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >> <mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org > >> > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >> <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenerg> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenerg > >> ylists.org > >> > >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > >> <http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Stoves mailing list > >> > >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >> <mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org > >> > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >> <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenerg> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenerg > >> ylists.org > >> > >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > >> <http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Stoves mailing list > >> > >> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >> <mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org > >> > >> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >> <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenerg> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenerg > >> ylists.org > >> > >> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > >> <http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Nolbert Muhumuza > > > > President & Chief Operations Officer > > Awamu Biomass Energy Ltd. > > P.O. 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