To be honest, personally I like nothing more then Textpad and maybe Forte
(free) for debugging. :)
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
Hi John,
Your forgiven, Thanks!
Somewhat off topic but - I'm in the process of buying/deciding which
development tool to purchase, I am down to Borland Studio and WebGain
Studio. Any opinions on this with regard to Struts and EJB's. I am a one man
shop with finite resources.
Email me directly if you think this in not relevant to this list.
Thanks,
BG...
-----Original Message-----
From: Hogan, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:02 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
Oops, sorry Bill. I missed the quotes and attributed the "Struts is not
ready to take on EJB" to you. Please forgive me. I should have read
closer, but just found the quote so pompous and uninformed I couldn't
resist.
JohnH
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
what are you talking about, do you have anything of value to add?
-----Original Message-----
From: Hogan, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 6:09 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
wasn't it nicer under that rock?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
Hi Craig,
"Although excellent in dealing with Web-based applications, Struts is not
ready to take on EJB."
This is a concern of mine as well but as a newbie to this technology, I am
wondering how to adopt the Struts framework knowing that I will move to
EJB's. Is it worth starting with Struts with the idea of moving to EJB's or
what? Any info on this matter is seriously appreciated!
Thanks
BG...
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Ritter, Steve wrote:
> Hi Hal, yeah I read the same article and couldn't help but laugh.
> Prashant really made some outlandish comments and hopefully those
> comments will diminish any negative impact his article might have on
> Struts (or, the adoption of Struts I should say).
>
> Craig, if you read this thread it might not be a bad idea to send a
> quick email to the editor's of Java Report and let them know about
> some of the mis-leading statements. Sounds like their review board
> needs a little re-org.
>
Looks like I'll have to go buy a copy -- I don't pay a lot of attention to
trade magazines in print, because production cycles make them so far out
of date.
Judging from the many thank-you's I've received for the 1.0 final
release, I wouldn't worry to much about negative impact on Struts
adoption. :-)
> --Steve
>
Craig
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deadman, Hal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:52 AM
> > To: 'Struts List'
> > Subject: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
> >
> >
> > Clearly there are too many java magazines and they will
> > publish anything. In
> > the July issue of Java Report there is an article titled
> > "Writing a Reusable
> > Implementation of the MVC Design Pattern" by Prashant Sarode
> > from Brience.
> > It's interesting because it has a section title of "Bye-Bye
> > Struts". The
> > section starts out as follows:
> >
> > "While the Struts framework is a powerful idea, it is not yet
> > a product.
> > Although excellent in dealing with Web-based applications,
> > Struts is not
> > ready to take on EJB."
> >
> > There are other gems in the article but I won't reproduce
> > them all here.
> >
> > The premise of the article is that the author went looking for an MVC
> > framework. He found the Blueprint document and liked that but
> > it was too
> > complicated. He then found Struts but apparently it didn't
> > meet his need for
> > "a reusable implementation of the MVC pattern." Prashant must
> > be a hard man
> > to please. I think he wants one framework that can be used
> > for both web
> > applications and desktop applications. Personally I would
> > rather share the
> > model components and let my MVC framworks be a little less
> > abstract and more
> > useful to the task at hand.
> >
> > I couldn't find the article on-line. I just skimmed the rest
> > of the article
> > because it it was hard to concentrate or take it seriously
> > after the Bye-Bye
> > Struts section.
> >
> > Hal
> >
>
