Ok. I'll try to be more clear:
- I don't want to use JSPs when working with Struts, neither the Taglibs. Instead, I want to be able to delegate the presentation on an external component. - In order to do that, I must be able to access the data to be presented (i.e. access the appropriate ActionForm) from that external component, in consistency with Struts handlign of scope and other concepts. - It seems like Struts would expect you to (finally surrender and) use JSP + JSP tags, although it does not formally obliges you to do so. I've been checking both the source code for the tag libs and the .java-s generated by them and I get this strong impression that there is happening a lot more "behind the scenes" that one would suppose (and Struts would recognize). This would not worry me if there were Java classes that, not being "JSP-oriented", still allowed me to do everything (or even 50%) Struts' JSP-tags do. I don’t say they don't exist. I just have not found them. - I don't see why you say I'm conflating those 2 issues (please, explain it to me :) ). I'm not introducing anything new inside the framework, nor am I changing its normal behaviour. I'm respecting the roles assigned to each component. I believe what I'm doing is - precisely - prevent (or, at least, make it more difficult to) the developer from mixing control and presentation (on a JSP); moreover, I'm allowing the TOTAL separation of HTML and Java by encapsulating the dynamic generation of the view in a Java object especially designed for that purpose (for good). Anyway, I'm absolutely open to any comments / opinnions you can provide in this regard. IMPORTANTE NOTICE: I don't want start a discussion here about how good or bad Struts is: - I don't have time for that, - I don't have yet the required level of knowledge and expertise (on Struts, that is) to make such judgement, - That's not the point for this posting. This said, I'll be really looking forward to anything anybody is willing to collaborate with. Thanx again! Freddy. -----Mensaje original----- De: Michael McGrady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 03 de febrero de 2004 19:41 Para: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Struts and Pajes Struts is not the "presentation tools" so you are fine. You can use any presentation, or even none. I do a lot of tunneling things with struts, including serving images with Action classes. Your question is not clear to me? You seem to be conflating mapping (control) and view (presentation) issues. But, I am not sure. Anyway, if you are not clear, they are distinct. I don't know how much you know, so let me stress that the web "MVC" pattern is really not the classic MVC pattern. Rather, our own beloved Ted Husted has nailed the real pattern, which is to keep the connections of each of the MVC to only one of the other three on each side (incoming and out going). It's more of a circle. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
