On 12/21/2011 07:58 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:
It makes Terminal appear as a "second-class activity" when it should
be a high-value first-class activity.
Using Terminal can be fun, useful, illuminating. It is the ony
activity we offer to really get a sense of how your computer works.
And it is not just for diagnostics or advanced uses. A number of
basic scripts or instructions about how to use or customize the XO
require the Terminal.
If the concern is that children might not be prepared to use it, or
might somehow 'misuse' it, it would be better to provide more guidance
and information with the activity [for instance: ship Man pages,
include a welcome message that guides people to them, and to a txt
version of "Intro to the Command Line"].
I cover making an activity a favorite with the f3 Home "list view" in
this short annotated guide on the wiki:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Introduction_to_Sugar_Interface
Maybe this should be used to orientate students/teachers to sugar (It is
why it was written)
As for Man pages -- We now have the space; is there any reason not to
ship them?
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5161
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5640
SJ
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
<satel...@bendbroadband.com <mailto:satel...@bendbroadband.com>> wrote:
On 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
Ok, returning to sugar-devel because I did Reply instead of Reply
to all :)
Can you explain what is the use case of this activity you are
proposing?
The terminal is ok, when you know what to do, is waiting for you.
Why do you think there are a wrong message here?
Gonzalo
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com
<mailto:meta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Then it makes more sense to me to say "once you have learned
how to su olpc, you can use terminal to hack your user
experience" rather than "once you have overcome an
obfuscating element in Sugar, you can use
terminal-without-any-help to do things you might still not
understand".
Add this link to Default.html? (the start page of Browse):
http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/floss_manuals/Terminal_06Sep08.pdf
This would require using Sugar Clone
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Sugar_on_a_Stick.2FSugar_Clone
to duplicate the live USB's
Or make a Fedora Remix with the .pdf file on the Soas live CD .iso
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora
The terminal-application goes to root with-out any password on SoaS.
I think this is why it is not selected as a favorite.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Samuel Klein
<meta...@gmail.com <mailto:meta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Why are we judging that some people are 'not ready' to
use terminal? it's not as though we hide the "delete
activity" menu option from people, for instance. It
seems to me to send the wrong message.
Better to have a terminal replacement activity that
a) shows you clearly what user you are logged in as (in
the title bar?)
b) by default launches you into a new user account
("user:sandbox"?) that can easily su to olpc...
c) offers some initial welcome/guidance/help in exploring
the command line.
SJ
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Gonzalo Odiard
<gonz...@laptop.org <mailto:gonz...@laptop.org>> wrote:
If the user is ready to use the terminal, can go to
the list view and select as a favorite, right?
Is not hidden, only is not selected as favorite.
Gonzalo
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Samuel Klein
<meta...@gmail.com <mailto:meta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Terminal is currently hidden by default on many
builds. How about unhiding it or replacing it
with an activity that offers more of an intro to
the command line?
It is an important tool for understanding how
your computer works.
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