Jack
Lime-Mortar should 'fizz' violently with 5%  Hydrochloric Acid (which, of 
course, you will have a bottle of in your garage). Portland cement may 'fizz' a 
bit, depending on how much calcareous matter is in the sand used. You should 
also be able to scotch lime mortar with a copper coin.
Cheers
Kevin

On 15 May 2013, at 01:03, Jack Aubert <j...@chezaubert.net> wrote:

> This is all fascinating stuff and I will either impress or bore people  with 
> my bogus erudition on the subject.
>  
> But Is there an easy way to distinguish lime mortar from Portland cement 
> mortar, like with one’s thumbnail?  In America, the oldest brick buildings on 
> the East Coast are from the mid 18th century but they would generally have 
> been re-pointed with Portland cement.  Last weekend I was checking mortar 
> joints in Alexandria, Virginia, where the oldest buildings date from that 
> period.  They all seemed to have the same sandy consistency.  I jokingly told 
> a homeowners that I was the “mortar inspector”.  He replied “Finally!  We’ve 
> been waiting forever!”  
>  
> Jack
>  
> From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Kevin Karney
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:39 PM
> To: Sundial
> Subject: Re: Re quicklime
>  
> A further point about lime mortar. It sets quite hard within a few weeks, but 
> continues to get harder & harder at an exponentially slower rate until the 
> carbon dioxide (as carbonic acid) in the atmosphere eventually converts it 
> back to its original calcium carbonate. So Roman mortar is very very hard and 
> totally inflexible…. Yes!,  it can take thousands of years to re-convert - 
> this is one of the reasons why ancient buildings (as Roman aqueducts) last so 
> long. The conversion is quicker in cold climates since frost makes micro 
> cracks which allows the carbonic acid to percolate into the mortar.
>  
> CaCO3 (limestone) ---heat---> CaO (quicklime)+ CO2
> CaO (quicklime)+ H20 ---> Ca(OH)2 (slaked lime)
> CO2 + H2O --- in the atmosphere ---> H2CO3 (carbonic acid - very weak)
> Ca(OH)2 (slaked lime) + H2CO3 + O2 ---- time ---> CaCO3 (limestone) + 2H20
> My chemistry is very rusty - so I hope the formulae are right
>  
> All the best 
> Kevin
>  
> On 6 May 2013, at 15:32, Frank Evans <frankev...@zooplankton.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Greetings, fellow dialists,
> I'm now clearer on the subject of lime production. After firing It seems the 
> quicklime was taken from the kiln in lumps, separated from the ash and moved 
> to a pit in the nearby slaking shed (cheaper than iron pots). The pit was 
> lined to hold water and the quicklime was (cautiously!) added. It was in 
> timer bailed out and sieved (large lumps might not be completely slaked and 
> could "blister" later as mortar, with damaging consequences. The resulting 
> slaked lime could now be safely transported. Each firing produced several 
> tons of lime and this was sometimes left to mature for many weeks.
> 
> Thanks to all who replied. I hope to talk further on the subject with the 
> stonemason when he returns to Tynemouth in the summer to paint the dial. I 
> note he was careful to chose the correct colour of sand to mix with his lime 
> putty for the repairs.
> Frank 55N 1W
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