A few thoughts:
I am curious as to how many of you have actually talked to your Oracle
Sales Rep before "concurring" with these statements? How many of your
have based Oracle's commitment level to the product have actually opened
a support case or posted questions to the Oracle Forums?
Oracle does not keep acquired products that they do not believe have a
future. I'd challenge you to compare release timelines from both Sun
and Oracle and see under which flag the product has had more major
releases and more features. If Oracle was not committed to Sun Ray and
VDI, it would have been gone very soon after the acquisition.
I can tell you Oracle is committed to Sun Ray and VDI. I get that
people are unhappy with some of the changes (Firmware requiring a
support contract, Public road maps, social media changes), but those
things have very little bearing on whether or not Oracle is committed.
Well, that's not exactly true, at least for the firmware change. Oracle
is a business, Sun Ray/VDI are products that it sells.
Support/Maintenance help pay for developing and supporting the product.
There's been more than a few emails on this list from people asking
how to get the firmware for free. There's been more than a few on this
list that have enjoyed release after release, never having paid for
support or maintenance.
Oracle strictly follows rules and federal regulations when it comes to
accounting. One of those prevents us from discussing futures for
releases that are not in the calendar year in order to win business.
That business actually cannot legally be "recognized" unless that
feature was (or is imminently) available. It's true that Sun used to
"Open the Kimono", but it wasn't that effective.
Speaking purely for myself (though I'm sure on the behalf of everyone
involved with Sun Ray/VDI), I love that you love our product, but I'm
person just like you. I have a family, like many of you. I have bills to
pay, like all of you. There's a reason why Sun isn't around anymore and
it's not because of irrelevant technology.
So regarding Wyse/Others, do an apple to apples comparison please. Look
at all the software you have to buy, both on the client side (features)
and server side (management of clients) to give you what Sun Ray has
built into it. Be sure to include the maintenance costs. Let me know
how many "real people" you meet involved with the products.
Sun Ray turns 14 this year, and it's still relevant today. If nothing
else, it's relevance is proven by the people on this list complaining
that there is no longer firmware available for the Sun Ray 150. A client
that last shipped in 8 years ago, and for which "Premier Support" ended
in 2010. Please show me recent drivers, bios, OS updates for another
thin client that is was EOL'd in May 2005.
On 5/3/13 6:20 AM, Schultze, Robert - Technology Services Server
Technology wrote:
We are also struggling to find a thin client solution that users embrace and is
easy to manage. With only about 150 Sun Rays in an environment of 6000
computers, there is just not the critical mass or management support at this
time. In my opinion Sun Rays need a 300+ implementation in order to be cost
effective. Curious what other say about this. It appears that other non-Zero
clients require less critical mass and expertise.
I concur that the Sun Ray technology may be neglected by Oracle and therefore
will fade away. Very unfortunate since virtualizing the desktop and thin
client technology looks to be promising. Wyse (Dell) and others will gladly
take the market share.
Rob
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From: Steven Gelsie <steven.gel...@jhuapl.edu>
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At lunch I ran into some colleagues that were switching from Sunrays to Wyse
thin clients. So naturally I ask them why and the response was
cost. I have not gone through the exercise of pricing a Sunray
configuration compared to a Wyse terminal configuration but probable will have
to in the near future. Has any body in the sunray group gone through the
process of justifying the Sunrays over the Wyse terminals ( including server
cost) ?
Steve
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