Hi Christian and Everyone,
I'm not sure if you folks were in
this group last year or not, but
if you are interested in using solid catalyst or other methods to make
biodiesel, might I
suggest that you look in the US Patent office website www.uspto.gov . Just
enter "biodiesel"
in the search query box and you should get a wealth of information on the
subject, or enter
any other keyword that is associated with the subject and you will find many
patents with
lots of info that will help you with your questions. I mentioned last year
and possibly the
year before because there was a lot of discussion back then about all of
these things. Search
a little farther back in the archives of this group and you should find some
of these subjects, a
lot of research has already been done by members of this group, and it's
just sitting there waiting to be accessed. The famed "Fox/Ginosaur" process
using a solid catalyst, (which to this date)
hasn't been used commercially, is on Delphion.com. I was lucky enough to
download a copy of
the Fox/Ginosaur patent from the Delphion website before they started
charging a fee to access
the International Patents. It is at best vague and very careful to be as
vague as possible with all
the info in the Patent. The Lockheed Martin Idaho Technologies Company is
the company
that actually owns the Patent and they don't seem to be rushing into
production of biodiesel
with the process so that should tell you that the process probably isn't all
that good ! The
USPTO website has a lot of other more practical info on how to make
biodiesel with an
alternate method, so give it a look and you may find something that will fit
!! US Patent
number 4,695,411 is a process to make biodiesel using "hydrated ethanol",
that is to say
using ethanol with water in it. One problem that is always associated with
using ethanol is,
how obtain ethanol with no water content ! This Patent may not be practical,
I don't know,
but it may be of some help. You can search for millions of things that will
be of help in
all areas of any endeavor.
Good Hunting,
David Cruse
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
> In my humble opinion, the process described seems the counterpart to the
> alchemists recipe for turning lead into gold. A process as described
would,
> as Dana said, revolutionize production.
>
> Count me into the subject, though I donĞt know what youĞre implying with
> this. Sure, when I find some time, IĞll try to look it up. Any hints
> regarding a little more detail on the process, or where it came from?...
> just so as to get started.
>
> I was currently trying to do some testing with hydrochloric and ethanol..
> but my whole "first attempt" processor project (traditional NaOH & Meth
> recipe) is currently quite delayed due to the fact that all imported goods
> have gone up by 40% in the past week (due to the currency problems here in
> Argentina).
>
> Hope to hear more on the subject
>
> Regards,
>
> Christian
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
>
>
> > Arne,
> >
> > I have not heard any further info on the process you
> > describe. Of course this type of continuous process
> > biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home
> > production of BD if made available. It would also work
> > well in conjunction with the inexpensive WVO/SVO
> > processing modules I am attempting to design and
> > integrate.
> >
> > As I stated before even a very expensive catalyst
> > module would pay for itself if shared by a group of
> > users to maximize its use either by forming a
> > cooperative around a shared WVO/SVO/biodiesel
> > processor or by shipping the expensive catalyst module
> > from one (otherwise inexpensive) home processor to
> > another.
> >
> > I believe that this deserves more thorough
> > investigation. Unfortunately, as you can see from my
> > recent posts I already have a rather "full plate". If
> > there are three or four others that are willing to
> > join forces to dig deeper I am more than willing to
> > contribute to the effort as best I can. alarge oart
> > of my living hinges on gathering intelligence but I
> > can't do it on my own right now.
> >
> > Anyone else interested? Ed?,Keith? Others???
> >
> > Dana
> >
> >
> > --- "Arne P. Ryason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is there any known progress on the INEEL process
> > > which uses a solid
> > > catalyst to produce biodiesel and food grade
> > > glycerin? Two scientists
> > > have developed a continuous process that eliminates
> > > the alcohol, base,
> > > acid, & water wash steps of making biodiesel. Also,
> > > it is a continuous
> > > process, versus the batch process that is used now.
> > > The glycerin
> > > byproduct is food grade. Selling it would offset the
> > > refining process,
> > > making biodiesel competative with petrodiesel.
> > >
> > > Anyone with more info on this?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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