I am interested in what the forum truly believes. Please share your vision with me. You can mail me off list if you wish. [EMAIL PROTECTED] My question is this> If you devised a machine so simple it could be built in a village workshop and it would provide the energy needs of a home or business what would the existing power structure do. Let's further assume that like cold fusion the thing would run many years without a fuel bill. What would the oil companies do? What would the government do? What would you do? I am honestly interested in your perceptions Kirk
-----Original Message----- From: steve spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:10 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust "The low yield of energy from burning hydrogen compared to gas, however, means that vast quantities of rock would have to be mined. Professor Freund believes that the extraction and crushing of rock to extract the trapped hydrogen is likely to be prohibitively expensive." next....... Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: [biofuel] Huge Hydrogen Stores Found Below Earth's Crust From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kris Book) : Discovery Suggests Near Limitless Supply of Clean Fuel : By Robert Matthews : Vancouver Sun : Monday, April 15, 2002 : LONDON -- Scientists have discovered vast quantities of hydrogen gas, widely regarded as the most promising alternative to today's dwindling stocks of fossil fuels, lying beneath the Earth's crust. The discovery has stunned energy experts, who believe that it could provide virtually limitless supplies of clean fuel for cars, homes and industry. Governments across the world are urgently seeking ways of switching from conventional energy sources such as coal, gas and nuclear power to cleaner, safer alternatives. Energy specialists estimate that oil production will start to decline within the next 10 to 15 years, as the economically viable reserves start to run out. Hydrogen gas has been hailed as the ultimate clean fuel, as it produces only water when burned. Until now, however, moves to switch to a "hydrogen economy" have been dogged by the cost of making the gas. The two most common ways -- extraction from natural gas and sea water -- are expensive and create environmental problems. Now scientists at the American space agency NASA have found that the Earth's crust is a vast natural reservoir of hydrogen which has become trapped in ancient rocks. The team made its discovery while trying to explain how bacteria live many miles below the Earth's surface. Such bugs have no access to sunlight, forcing them to rely on another source of energy for life. Scientists suspected that hydrogen was the source. According to Professor Friedemann Freund and colleagues at NASA's Ames Research Center in California, the gas is produced when water molecules trapped inside molten rock break down to release hydrogen. "In the top 20 kilometres of the Earth's crust, the conditions are right to produce a nearly inexhaustible supply of hydrogen," said Professor Freund. Studies by the team of common rock types such as granite and olivine have revealed extraordinarily high levels of trapped hydrogen. Professor Freund said that his team had "tantalizing evidence" that as much as 1,000 litres of hydrogen may be trapped in each cubic metre of rock. Although formidable engineering problems remain to be overcome in abstracting the gas, the sheer volume of the Earth's crust means that such a high concentration would solve the world's energy problems. "Everyone thinks of gas and oil as the main sources, and it's very difficult to get anyone to take alternatives seriously," said Dr. David Elliott, the professor of technology policy at the Open University in London. "The possibility of vast reserves of hydrogen in the Earth's crust could change that mindset." The low yield of energy from burning hydrogen compared to gas, however, means that vast quantities of rock would have to be mined. Professor Freund believes that the extraction and crushing of rock to extract the trapped hydrogen is likely to be prohibitively expensive. The reaction which creates the gas takes place at depths far below those involved in oil extraction, which are typically about two miles down. The most promising source of the hydrogen may be geological "traps" similar to those now drilled for natural gas. Professor Freund said: "One of these natural hydrogen fields is already known to exist in North America, and extends from Canada to Kansas." © Copyright 2002 Vancouver Sun Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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