It's a follow up on your topic on energy storage. Instead of battery, power generates from Solar or Wind can be transformed to Hydrogen or compressed air for later use. Either for air car, water car or home appliances.
Didn't get involved in emmission, but safety will need to be supervised. Hydrogen and pure Oxygen are dangerous! I'd learned this is a group discussion, not that we pick on one particular person or subject. Take it easy, your discussion is interesting and just added some of my comments. Different participants have different styles, that is okay with me! Hope that my style is okay to you!! Normally never address to one particular person in sending comments. Sorry about you felt that I had been pinpointed your talk and that was not the case! And certainly had found out South California Edison is not our mutual friend! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] air car > I am afraid that i don't see what all this has to do with what i said. > I was talking about the potential benefits of a car that could run on the > energy > stored overnight by compressing air. > My example was of solar panels on a roof either directly running a > compressor. > > I suppose maybe you are talking about how i prefer to have one power plant > running > power instead of 1000 people running generators. I am talking about the > emmissions > end of it. 1000 people running generators because they want to stick it to > the power company > <however evil they are> is not a good thing, emissions wise. > > If you want to run solar, or wind or hydro, thats all good, even run a nice > Capstone Turbine for the neighborhood if you all want to... but not 1,000 > guys with 300 dollar gensets.. pleeze. > > ..dont know what an air car has to do with the Mid East.. > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:46:16 -0800 > > From: "Tricia Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: air car > > > > In the future, Solar or wind to generate electricity at home. Either to > > produce Hydrogen or Compressed air. > > They run not only the cars but your home appliances/lighting and > everything > > else! > > President Clinton called that decentralized energy policy, no need to > depend > > on big oil or energy companies! > > Right now, we can not live without the oil and energy companies. All > energy > > production is highly centralized in those > > big companies, they get to swing the policy! Edison did that in > California, > > and everybody can see how that happened. You pay up or I cut you off > power > > supply! > > > > Energy shortage? Friend in Arizona tried to set up a facility to use > solar > > panels to generate power and sell for money. The best price he could > find > > to sell those electricity is 1 cents per watt. And in Southern > California, > > we are paying 11 cents for business and 13 cents for residential. From > > Edison's self deceiving commercials on TV, they are still claiming they > are > > serving > > Californian! Other states even offered help to sell electricity from > their > > power supply to California, none taken! > > Being screwed by your own power company! And still have to keep their > > services after they had done all these! > > Spineless human! > > > > If Bush's energy department has the same like-minded focus as this > > discussion group. At least there will have several > > projects that can work on. To find out the best energy solution, > Biddiesel, > > Hydrogen etc.. But you can see it's not happening and that probably not > > what the big energy companies want the president to do. > > > > Al Gore mentioned that instead of using the momentum gathered after- the > 911 > > attack to urge > > American to conserve energy or use other alternative energy. They decided > to > > use that momentum to support more military deployment in the Middle East! > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:13 AM > > >Subject: RE: [biofuel] air car > > > > > > > > > I am sure the transmission loss factor vs gas formulation cost has been > > > beaten to death in other discussions of EVs. > > > > > > But just to make is more simple. > > > assume your Solar panel is sitting on your roof. > > > there wont be too much of a transmission losses. > > > so all day long, you can compress air in a tank at home. > > > > > > when you get home, you can transfer this to your car slowly overnight, > > > adding more if > > > needed overnight cheaply. > > > > > > I suppose you could add a bank of batteries at home, instead of a an > air > > > tank. But then you would lose 10% getting the juice into the > batteries > > > and 10% getting it out. > > > > > > I would rather have one powerplant with one pollution source.. than > have > > > 1,000 guys at home with generators. New pollution control technology > only > > > has to happen once.. not 1,000 times. I also wouldnt > > > have to worry abou Jimbos taking pollution controls *off* their > > > generator,.. to save a few dollars. <you know it would happen> > > > > > > Also, I don't want a generator running in my garage at night..pyew.. > nor > > > out back. I certainly dont want > > > my neighbors running them... i wonder how happy people would be happy > > > when one of the muffers starts to go. Man.. now i have to go bother to > fill up > > > gas cans again.. i thought that was a reason to > > > buy this stupid air-car in the first place. > > > > > > Of course.. these vehicle.. if existed.. would not be everything to > > > everyone. No current car is now, why do potential alternatives have to > > > be. EV.. etc.. > > > Someone complained what if i have to drive 100 miles or something.. use > a > > > second car.. or rent one. > > > If you have to do it every week.. buy a different car. > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
