>Hakan, I understand, but I am concerned Keith's belligerence is undermining >his own position and arguments re the belligerents, Blair & Bush. >sauce for the goose etc. >Ken
Yes, yes, Ken, but you're only bothered by my alleged "belligerence" because you decided to do a little trolling for your own entertainment, never mind that it was at the list's expense, and I stopped you. So I think your professed concern for the list and the issues and so on might not be as great as that for your own loss of face. From a recent message, in case you missed it (which, either way, missed or ignored, apparently doesn't stop you pontificating about it): >Part of being the owner-skivvy of a list is to take action when >members get out of line. Paul Schwartz was way out of line in >calling Andrew a fascist, and such gratuitous abuse of other members >is not allowed here. Here's another part - the bouncer. Clubs have >bouncers - at well-managed clubs they're seldom used, but they're >there just the same. Here it's seldom used, but it's used when >necessary. Just when it's necessary and how it's used has been >established through the history of the list, from the first couple >of times it happened, with much debate, and subsequent debate. > >Just to scotch your drift, when a member gets out of line like this >I don't care who it is or what his/her views are, he/she will be >told to apologise or else. Something similar has happened to someone >who'd become a friend, with much prior off-list correspondence: he >was warned, he ignored it, out he went. > >This is how it works: my duties are to the best interests of the >list and the issues it represents, and to the individual members >until they go against the best interests of the list and the issues >it represents. Simple enough. Okay? Well, okay or not okay, you've nursed the chip on your shoulder quite long enough, drop this nonsense now, it contributes nothing but extra noise. Keith Addison List owner >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:26 PM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul > > > > > > Ken, > > > > I am surprised that you could read this message in what I wrote. > > It is maybe needed that I once again have to say what I sad so > > many times, that I am afraid to embarrass Keith. I have never seen > > such a good moderator with sense for what people need to talk > > about in such a political issue as the energy questions. Sometimes > > almost all get a little derailed, but he show a large respect and > > patience with it. > > > > I think that it is symptomatic with all this concerns about this > > attack on Iraq. It is many nationalities on the list and many concerns. > > No wonder that it is discussed a lot, but at the same time the > > majority of the postings are valuable interchange of views. It > > is actually an opportunity the get a true international view from > > grass root level. The fact that it is so many against the attack and > > occupation, is representative for what the world thinks about it. > > > > According to my opinion, it is all about Iraqi oil and the future will > > prove it. You are already seeing this in what is happening. > > > > Hakan > > > > > > At 08:51 PM 3/23/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hakan, > > >I think you are right as usual. > > >It is time for Keith to moderate his responses. He is supposed to be the > > >list moderator > > >Ken > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:21 PM > > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith, > > > > > > > > I second this and think that Thor is right. I would > > > > be surprised if the members of this list supports > > > > name calling anyway, it is not my experience. > > > > > > > > Paul is only hurting himself and I do not think that > > > > it is going to escalate to a general behavior if you > > > > allow him to do that. > > > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:25 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >Keith, > > > > > > > > > >I sincerely hope you don't go through with your threat > > > > >to censure Paul for his comments. I've believed in > > > > >the "sticks and stones" approach to debate. If > > > > >someone resorts to name calling they pretty much lose > > > > >their audience (unless you're watching Jerry Springer > > > > >or Rush Limbaugh) and render themselves ineffective. > > > > >Personal insults are often the result of frustration > > > > >from the inability to articulate one's thoughts, or > > > > >from a lack of a good argument. And censorship looks > > > > >like, well, censorship. Please reconsider. > > > > > > > > > >sincerely, > > > > > > > > > >thor skov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Message: 15 > > > > > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:22:14 +0900 > > > > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Subject: Re: "Arrogance of Power" and a bunch of other > > > > >war-related > > > > >threads > > > > > > > > > >Paul Schwartz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > except that you're not a dog, I'm not a dog, and > > > > >its not only dogs > > > > >that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are killing. Indeed the colonial histories of the > > > > >France's, > > > > >Britain's, > > > > > > > Portugal's, > > > > > > > Spain, etc. to infinity, don't often look too > > > > >honourable. So why > > > > >follow > > > > > > > their example? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting to note that the howling of dogs > > > > >provides the only > > > > >early > > > > > > > warning of cruise > > > > > > > missiles incoming to Baghdad. Its all they've got. > > > > > > > > > > > >Good, let it be known that if any tyrant chooses to > > > > >threaten the peace > > > > >of > > > > > >the world and murder his own people to retain his > > > > >illegitimate power, > > > > >then > > > > > >the howling of dogs may be the last thing he hears on > > > > >this earth. > > > > >Tyrants > > > > > >and fascists--like Andrew-- > > > > > > > > > >Pardon me, are you calling Andrew a tyrant and a > > > > >fascist? You have > > > > >two choices: justify that or apologize, onlist, > > > > >without reservation. > > > > >Not responding is not an option. No further warnings, > > > > >do it by > > > > >tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > >beware, if you threaten the peace of the USA and > > > > > >we will unleash the dogs of hell on you. Andy, shut > > > > >up and go away; > > > > >no one > > > > > >cares what you think. > > > > > > > > > >You are (a) wrong and (b) right out of line. > > > > > > > > > > >Let's get back to bio diesel. > > > > > > > > > >And you will not tell this list what to do. > > > > > > > > > >Respond to the above by tomorrow. Defiance would be > > > > >ill-advised. Your > > > > >posting privileges have been withdrawn until you > > > > >settle this > > > > >satisfactorily. > > > > > > > > > >Keith Addison > > > > >List owner > > > > > > > > > > >Paul ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! 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