Tom,
Sorry, got a zero wrong,-:) but it is nothing, compared with what Bryan got wrong. Did not react, since my mind is made up on this issue and I am very worried. It is to take seriously and we have nothing to loose to do so. Thank you for correcting me and even more for improving my knowledge about it. Hakan At 06:31 PM 3/28/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hakan, >The IPCC is actually a panel of 2000 leadig atmospheric scientists, and >over the last 10 years they have managed to reach a concensus (very >difficult for argumentative scientists!!!): the radiative forcing of the >climate has changed as a direct result of increased CO2 levels in the >atmosphere (up 50% since 1870). This is the quickest change that has ever >been seen, based on geological records going back 2 billion years. >Furthermore, this level of CO2 is unprecendented - sure, CO2 levels have >fluctuated over the last millennia, but the highest concentration seen >before now was 350ppm. Today we're on 374ppm and rising at 1ppm per year. >I have been aware of the global warming theory and climate change for >about 12 years. Today I am more worried than ever! It is grotesque to sit >there like Brah and chuck in senseless arguments (the sunspot thing has >been comprehensively rubbished by the IPCC) - even if nothing happens, >surely the precautionary principle should apply? Hell, if your tax bill >went up by 50% in five years, wouldn't you get a little tetchy? > >tom >-- >Tom Tibbits >PG, EXSS, >The Blackett Laboratory, >Prince Consort Road, >London >SW7 2BW >http://www.sc.ic.ac.uk/~q_pv/ > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Work +44 207 594 6678 >Mobile +44 778 607 5692 >Home +44 207 701 5303 >-- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hakan Falk > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:20 PM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Global Warming > > > > Bryan, > > I am sorry, but I cannot accept your statements as having > scientific base and connection to reality nor being knowledgeable, > reasonable and responsible. I do find the 200 leading scientist > in the field and the world, that belive in the CO2 connection > and Global Warming somewhat more serious and convincing. > > Hakan > > > At 10:50 AM 3/28/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >Show me the money! > > > >As far as a the relationship between the earth's mean temperature and CO2 > >levels, first prove to me that CO2 levels wouldn't have risen without > >human contribution. Next show me that this CO2 is the CAUSE of the > >increase in the mean temperature. I won't argue that the temperature is > >rising, but the atmospheric level of CO2 might very well be a RESULT of a > >higher mean temperature. The "Greenhouse Effect" is just a theory; there > >are a number of other theories that explain why the earth's > temperature is > >rising. These include increased sunspot activity and tectonic and > >geothermal action. Increased temperature could cause saturated CO2 to be > >released from the oceans. > > > >Blaming "Global Warming" on CO2 emissions (and thus on industrialized > >countries), is a convenient ruse to redistribute wealth to > >non-industrialized nations. Kyoto doesn't do anything to curb the > >emissions of China, India, all of Africa, or South America. Do you > >believe for a minute that these countries don't produce CO2 emissions, > and > >won't continue to do so at greater and greater rates? Kyoto is not about > >protecting the environment, it is about controlling people. > > > >Comparing the CO2 production on a per person basis is misleading, while > >Europeans are responsible for 8 tons of CO2 each per year, and Chinese > >make only 2 tons per year per person (Kirk's stat), there are about four > >times as many Chinese as there are Europeans, so the regional output is > >the same. Furthermore the demographic of "developed" countries is > >changing. The European population is expected to decrease over the next > >two decades, so who will be producing more CO2 then? Has China signed > Kyoto? > > > >I'll butter my bread how I like. I ride my bike to work because I want > >to, not because an international treaty makes it illegal for me to drive > >my car. When I do drive, I'd rather smell French fries than dead > >dinosaurs. What we should really be doing is using wind, solar, and tide > >power to split hydrogen for fuel cells, but I imagine that we'll have to > >run out of petroleum and coal before that happens. > > > >-BRAH ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! 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