Biomass use in the world is large and dangerous, not for the climate, but 
for the people. Visit the "Journey to Forever" and read about it, if you 
have not already done so. Small thing like efficient wood stoves and solar 
cookers, can make a very large difference. Keith and Hidori make a very 
important information work in this field and probably contribute to saving 
lives every day, as American says "a 24/7 support". If anyone on this list 
did not visit the "Journey to Forever" web site and read about their 
valuable contribution in the fields of sustainable agriculture and living, 
please do so, we owe it to them and maybe it is possible to contribute in 
some way.

Hakan


At 05:06 25/02/2004, you wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:15:57 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >on 2/24/04 5:59 PM, murdoch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I guess I'd just like to get an idea.  One way would
> >> be to consult an historian "of energy".  Someone who
> >> could give us an estimate of per capita energy use
> >> of primitive man, and give us some perspective on
> >> comparing that to  per capita use in the U.S. and
> >> elsewhere.
> >
> >Elsewhere might not be too surprising -- I bet the
> >Kurds don't use much more energy per person than they
> >did 150 years ago. Most modernized places would be in
> >for a serious shock, tho. I'm thinking nothing short
> >of a quasi-"religious" conversion could ever get the
> >big energy users (i.e., North America, Europe, urban
> >Asia, urban South America) to get anywhere near sust-
> >ainable consumption levels. Even many "third-world"
> >nations (Nepal, for example) are rapidly decimating
> >their biomass resources. It's a problem, alright...-K
>
>If a finite resource runs out, then it is out.  So, one day you wake
>up, you have no electricity for the microwave, no heat that makes the
>house liveable, and you have to deal.... what then?  I do think we'll
>see some amazing progress, however much it will be
>too-little-too-late.
>
>Unfortunately, this absolutely-used-up-state is made relative and
>regional by the fact that one's neighbor may not have used up what is
>in his earth. So, the U.S .can consume a goodly portion of its finite
>resources, but, business and other arrangements being what they are,
>the U.S. is set on using up a portion of resources located elsehwere
>as well (e.g. Russia, Saudi Arabia, et. al.), rather than looking as
>much to conserve and find new domestic alternatives.
>
>Dr. Seuss and Shel Silverstein, in retrospect, had some perspectives
>that they expressed on this.




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