Eva Thanks for your concern and insight. I, too, knew very little about b-d until a few months ago. It started with an email from someone in Australia who started running their TDi on WVO (waste vegetable oil) and then the wonderful discovery of the grass roots people around the world building their own systems to convert WVO to b-d. I looked into kits to convert cars to WVO dual tank systems, and then seriously started hunting for a TDi. (found my 2000 Golf TDi with only 50 K)At this point I discovered JTF, and have read a lot of interesting comments from list members. Yes, there were front page stories in the Times, etc (links to follow) which did not make any waves, obviously. Yes,the country needs to be informed that an alternative isd here in front of their faces, and Bush should NOT put any money into the super costly hydrogen cell technology. But my frustration still lies in obtaining b-d. One list member offered for me to come visit him upstate (near Oneonta) to see his conversion tank system.(I live in NJ but own a house in the Catskills) But my efforts to obtain a 5 gal pail or 55 gal drum of b-d for me to mix into my own B20 (20%) is tough, because the shipping is almost as much as the product itself. I CAN buy a tractor trailer load, but who has a tank to store that much? Therefore the need to start-up a small distributorship here in the NY area, maybe in an old gas station? I am seriously pursuing it. If your TDi gets such good mileage, it wouldnt be so bad for someone to travel from, say Queens or Brooklyn to north NJ where my station will be, I would even offer to pay back tolls! If I could generate enough interest from this list, it would be an incentive for me. Thanks again, and keep in touch. (are you also in NY?) -busyditch Here is a cool list,if you browse around there are articles from various media, plus super reviews of the TDi cars. http://www.tdiclub.com/
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Pierce" <> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *# > I, too, would be interested in hearing about your efforts to start biodiesel > production in NYC. More from the perspective of another biodiesel newbie > that is interested in production. > > > > I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most people are less "enlightened" > than the ones on this list, in that even if they do connect our political > problems with oil, it does not occur to them that there are alternatives > that are both environmentally and economically (key point!) more healthy. > What's astonishing to me is how long biodiesel has been around versus how > recently (I can count the weeks on two hands) I discovered its existence. > Where are the press releases and ad campaigns? Definitely not on the front > page. > > > > _____ > > From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:32 AM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *# > > > > If you are able to follow through on this, or even if you are not able > to do so, and find that it just takes the fire out of you, I for one > will be extremely interested to read of your efforts, or of any > further info you can pass on to us, about the NYC area. > > I am acquainted with the guy who runs NYCE wheels, the 2-wheeler EV > seller on the upper east side. But that's just an EV issue, not a > biofuel issue. > > A couple of years ago I was in NYC and asked about the grocery store > situation. I realized that I never seemed to see large chain stores > as I am accustomed to elsehwere. I was told that, basically, the > local stores had a strong push and were able to keep the area > different from the chain-store-ization of elsewhere. I am not saying > "good" or "bad", I was just sort of wondering, and that's what I was > told... as I kept in mind the amounts of food going into the city > every day, and the amounts of waste exiting. > > There was a news story or two, a few years ago, about the issue of > some restauraunt waste grease, that might otherwise have been turned > into fuel, being put illegally into the sewer systems, and causing > damage. Apparently this was happening in a certain Chinese restaurant > area more than in others? I have not heard any further discussion of > this. > > Manhattan is such a different area from others that I have been to, > that I cannot begin to really understand it. I never seem to see gas > stations, yet there must be some, because there are certainly enough > cars and taxis. I think this is merely my perception, that I don't > see any. But at the same time, I'm guessing that it's highly > regulated and that this is part of the reason for the lack of inroads > by folks trying to do something different. > > After 9-11, I expected NYC people, of anyone, to make a connection > between the issue of changing the sourcing of their fuel and fighting > the war, or at least fighting whatever fight any individual citizen > wanted, as far as his own personal views went. We've heard virtually > nothing, though, from NYC, outside of one or two private comments I've > heard about some EVs for some city program(s). Haven't really heard > much to back up those comments even. It's just astonishing to me that > not a single person from the NYC fourth estate has said anything > (within hearing range of many of the rest of us) to make an issue of > fuel sourcing available to NYC citizens. > > > > On Sun, 2 May 2004 21:29:42 -0400, you wrote: > > >Thanks > >Here is my current dilemma: I am seeking to buy biodiesel, either B20 or > >B100 that I can mix myself. I am not in the best situation right now that > >would allow me the chance to brew my own. So I am looking for a distributor > >to supply me. Now, I live in the NY city area, THE largest Metropolitan > area > >in the world, yet there are ZERO distributors here, the closest is New > >Haven, Connecticutt, and Bridgeton, NJ, 2 hours drive eiher way. I want so > >much to become part of the biodiesel solution that I want to try to become > a > >distributor here in NY, and maybe get in on the ground floor. I do have > some > >capital to invest. but just need more info on how to do it. I am banking on > >the hope that biodiesel will be the wave of the future, as a government > >mandated supplement to petro diesel. Good Luck to us all! > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:41 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *# > > > > > >> Dear B.D., > >> > >> The parking lot is a great idea. > >> > >> I hope we a a few landlords/entrepreneurs > >> on the list put it to use. > >> > >> Perhaps the charge could be done for free > >> during certain hours to be competitive with > >> parking lots not supplying the service. > >> > >> Maybe commuter parking lots could charge > >> for free to induce multi-modal commuters to > >> participate in such programs or to buy the cars > >> in the first instance. > >> > >> Keep up the good thinking. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Wendell > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Busyditch wrote: > >> > >> > Ideally, one should be able to charge their battery using a biofuel > >> > powered > >> > genset. Not a reality for most, but imagine someone setting up an > >> > urban > >> > "regeneration station/parking lot" to charge your vehicle overnight > >> > using > >> > such a generator. The ideas are boundless, just enough inspiration to > >> > make > >> > them work. > >> > busyditch > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Michael" <> > >> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:56 AM > >> > Subject: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car > >> > > >> > > >> > > I hope everyone realizes that the energy comes from a dirty power > >> > plant, > >> > and > >> > > then loses energy traveling down the power lines, to their plug, and > >> > then > >> > > loses energy in the rectifier, and in charging the batteries, and in > >> > > >> > > discharging the batteries.Very Respectfully, > >> > > > >> > > Michael > >> > > http://www.RecoveryByDiscovery.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > > > >> > > Biofuels list archives: > >> > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >> > > > >> > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > >> > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > Yahoo! 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