Hi Peggy,
Do you have any reference or web links to the process? It would be another interesting area to look at. Hi Peter, Just got back. I think that Cambodia is a really good target. Since as you said there's no oil refinery there. My initial gut feeling was that BD can be developed in Vietnam also. But I have since found out that Vietname has just constructed an oil refinery and it should begin operational soon. I hope that your venture in Cambodia will be successful. Do keep us updated. God Bless, Caleb --- Peggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --------------------------------- Hello Peter, It is possible to make fuel ethanol from discarded paper and food waste (non-dairy and no meat) making fuel ethanol another alternative to biodiesel as well. Peggy Hi Caleb ;; I agree with you 100% about used frying oil being a questionable feedstock. There simply isn't enough of it to make any significant business out of it, and it is spread out over a large geographic area. Yes, sure the backyard tinkeres can make a go of it. But as soon as you start to buy any significant quantites, the price will surely rise, plus you have significant collection costs. You can estimate the available quantity by trying to think about how much frying oil you personally use, then add in some extra to account for the fried donut or fried chicken that you ate at the restaurant. Then compare that to how much diesel you use. Then add in the diesel used for your electricity, all the transportation costs to bring your food to the supermarket, ect. For me I use about 100 times more diesel than frying oil. So then we could roughly estimate that if a city uses for example 1 million liters of diesel a month, there would be 10,000 liters of used frying oil. But only a small fraction could be recocovered (you couln't recover the used frying oil that I personally use, for example). My conclusion is that a very small number of people could make it work, but as soon as a few more people try, supplies will dry up. That's why biodiesel is irrelevant without an abundant feedstock. Please don't forget about all the people dying, being killed, destroyed lives in the middle east over oil wars. Then add in the huge cost in military hardware, all the lost productivity of the men figting instead of working, and I'm not so sure that the cost of diesel is lower than the cost of biodiesel made from palm oil. Yes Malasia is the world leader in palm oil plantations, so this would not interest you. But Cambodia has no oil plantation and no oil wells either. They are net importers of both commodities. So they are very interested in both possibilities. Yes please keep me infomed about the BioFuel conference in December. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- kok fong lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gaug, > > Thanks for replying. I'm based in Singapore, but I > come from Malaysia. In Malaysia there are plenty of > palm oil plantations. The industry is well > established. There was a push for BioDiesel back > during the 2002. But since then Palm oil prices > have > risen by almost 100%, which makes it more profitable > at the moment to export it overseas as cooking oil > than to convert it to biodiesel for local > consumption. > Though rising oil prices might actually reverse all > that. > > Diesel prices in Malaysia is far too cheap. > According > to the latest prices, we're the second cheapest > after > brunei. So pushing for BioDiesel is going to be > hard > in Malaysia. Plus we're a net exporter of crude > oil. > > I have plans as you to perhaps develope a small > biodiesel industry in Singapore based on used > cooking > oil. Still doing a lot of ground work at the > momement. Singapore is moving towards euro IV > emission standards, and biodiesel can help offset > some > of the cost of migrating to euro IV disels here. > Initial investigation into used cooking oil as a > feedstock here, indicate that it might not be a > reliable source of feedstock. However we are not > giving up hope yet. > > Yeah the Thailand BioFuels forum is way to > expensive. > There's another one coming in december. This time > it's going to be organized by MPOB from Malaysia . > I > might pop over and take a look if I'm free. I'll > get > more details for you if you are interested. > > Caleb > > --- Guag Meister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Hi Caleb ; > > Thanks for your kind email. I posted it back to the > list because you never know who is out there who > could > help you. Yes I live about 30 minutes north of > Bangkok. I have lived here for over 10 years. I am > a > techno type, with experience in many areas > (electronic > circuit design, mechanical machine design, pcb board > manufacturing, analysis laboratory). The thing > about > renewable energy is it almost never pays the bills. > Unfortunately, the people most interested in > renewable > energy are cheap charlies (sorry list members). > That > includes me. > > I have always had a gut feeling that renewable > energy > was the way to turn back the juggernaut. I have a > plan to develop a small oil palm plantation in > Cambodia (100-200 ht, 1-2 sq kilometer) with my > brother (not my biological brother, but the asian > style soul mate brother). Land is very cheap, only > $100 per acre. Most of the oil will be sold > locally, > but biodiesel is an excellent way to utilize the > excess. Our business plan appears to show that for > every dollar invested, we get an annual return after > expenses of $1. In other words, 100% annual return > on > investment. This assumes stable oil prices. If > global > oil prices rise, our profits rise accordingly. > Additionally, this does not include land price > appreciation (due to improvements, inflation, etc). > > You need to be a little careful about the > terminology > "biodiesel" in Thailand. A few farmers have blended > coconut oil with diesel and called it "biodiesel". > This was big news. There is a conference (posted to > the list) on Ethanol in October in Bangkok, but the > $1500 registration fee gave me pause. > > Can you tell me a little more about yourself and > your > ideas? > > Best Regards, > > Peter G. > Thailand > > > --- kok fong lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > I saw your latest posting and realized that you > had > > thailand in your singnature. > > > > Are you currently located in Thailand? 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