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1. Soap ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. Re: Glycerin soap making (JD2005)
3. Re: Re: New member introduction (John Hayes)
4. Re: Glycerin soap making (Andrew Cunningham)
5. RE: What oil to use (Ron Papaleo)
6. Re: Glycerin soap making (Legal Eagle)
7. Glycerine soap making (Legal Eagle)
8. Re: Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization (Keith Addison)
9. US diesel options - was Re: New member introduction
(Keith Addison)
10. Re: Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive (DHAJOGLO)
11. Re: Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive (Legal Eagle)
12. Re: Soap (Keith Addison)
13. Biofuel Bill in VA (grahams)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:29:44 +0200 (EET)
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Subject: [Biofuel] Soap
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Dear Sir/Madams,
Is there any body who can help me making my biodiesel in house.
Which way iste cheapest way to make biodiesel.
I have read nearly all the web pages.
regards,
Seref
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:04:21 -0800
From: "JD2005" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
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-Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning.
Andy
By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using
standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the
UK)?
JD2005
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:27 -0500
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Sir Woody Hackswell wrote:
Any others? Especially to fit my station wagon/SUV desires? Opinions
on the reliability of the three brands in diesel? I don't have the
money for a new, or I might consider the new Jeep Liberty TDI. =sigh=
Just a minor point - the Liberty has a CRD powerplant, not a TDI.
Likewise, the MB E320 is a CDI, not a TDI. Collectively, they're all
diesels, but in North America, the TDI is specific to VW (and Audi if
VWAG ever brings one over).
The Tdi badge has also been used by Land Rover worldwide, but in the US,
these are strictly one off custom conversions as they were never sold in
North America market.
Anyway, back to your original question, you can find used TDIs here:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB43
Unfortunately, B5.5 TDI Passats (2004+) start at about $23k and the B4
TDI Passats (1996&1997 only) are rare as hen's teeth. The B5 Passat
never sold with a TDI in North America and the TDI was introduced very
very late in the B5.5 product cycle.
A4 Chassis (NB, 4th generation Jettas and Golfs) TDIs were available
from '99 on but probably appears too small if your wife is insisting on
an SUV. Realistically, a 4 door Golf will haul *lots* of stuff, but
seems small to the American eye.
Your other choice is an old school MB but since some of them barely
break 30 mpg and are glacially slow, I might just get a newer Ford Focus
gasser that gets 35 mpg.
Good luck!
jh
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:28:31 -0500
From: Andrew Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
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If you have a sealed container with a vent line, source of hot water
(above 75C) and cold water - yes. Run the hot water around the sealed
container or put the sealed container in bath of hot water. This will
boil off the MeOH - add hot water as needed. The vapors will travel
out the vent. The vent line can be coiled and placed in a cold water
bath and the open end of the coil then leads into your MeOH recovery
vessel. As the coil fills with MeOH it will push out the liquid MeOH
into the recovery vessel. It would be good to keep that vessel cold
as well and have the outlet of the tubing go down to the bottom of
that tank so any left over vapors will bubble through cold MeOH and
condense (there shouldn't be any... but).
Goggle for batch distillation and find out what each X from a "XXX" jug
means.
Andy
> -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning.
>
> Andy
By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using
standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the
UK)?
JD2005
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:32 -0500
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Subject: RE: [Biofuel] What oil to use
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All good information but I would add that Mobil 1 Truck & SUV, readily
available, is rated SAE 5W-40, API CI-4,SL/CF. This is well within the
parameters your manufacturer requests.
Best regards,
Ron
Kim,
I took this from the tdiclub.com . I use Shell Rotella T (synthetic)
because that's what I could get locally. I suggest visiting that
website if you need to know more about your VW TDI. There is a wealth
of knowledge in the forums. Start with the TDI FAQ. Please note that
this does not apply to new 2004 PD (unit injector) models.
http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-4.html
# Specifications - The oil specified for use in the Volkswagen TDi for
current models meets the "API Service CG-4" rating. This mark means
that the oil has been tested for use in Diesel (C = compression
ignition) engines to meet the requirements of a test level called "G"
in a 4-stroke engine. The oil may also have been tested for use engines
fueled by gasoline, methanol, propane, or other fuels ignited by a
spark plug (S = spark ignition). The "S" ratings (SG, SH, SJ, etc.)
have no bearing on the suitability of the oil to protect a Diesel
fueled engine from the special demands imposed by the higher
compression ratios and the tendency for all diesel engines to place
soot in the oil.
Since there is little difference internally between the earlier and
later engines, it is only prudent to use oil meeting the latest
standards, even in the earlier models. The latest standard is CH-4, and
the one previous to that is CG-4. Many oils which have CG-4 printed on
the packaging actually meet CH-4, but due to the time taken to use up
old packaging, it is only the labeling which is not up to date.
Back to Top
#Semi and full Synthetic - According to a service bulletin, Volkswagen
recommends the use of synthetic oil in the TDI engine. Herein lies the
dilemma, as if you take your Volkswagen to a dealer for service, they
may try to use an oil which is not CG-4 rated and isn't really a full
synthetic. There are a limited number of oils on the market in North
America which satisfy the following criteria: CG-4 or CH-4 rating, full
synthetic, viscosity 5w30 or 5w40. These oils are suitable for VW's
full recommended oil change interval and the viscosity range is
suitable for all climates in North America. Contrary to what dealers
may tell you, neither Mobil 1 nor Castrol Syntec fulfill all of these
requirements - and that information is right on the bottle.
The information in this section refers to API service classes which are
North American standards. Different standards for engine oils are used
in Europe and elsewhere. It should be noted that since this vehicle was
developed in Europe, it is much easier to determine whether a European
engine oil is suitable. Any synthetic oil meeting the specification VW
505.00 is suitable for use with this engine with the full recommended
oil change interval. The VW 505.00 is the manufacturer's own
specification, but in North America this specification is rarely seen,
so we must rely on the API grades.
Oils which are suitable for the full recommended oil change interval in
all climates include, but aren't limited to:
Mobil Delvac 1, 5w40 (full synthetic, a reformulated version of Mobil 1
which is intended for diesel engines)
Chevron Delo 400, 5w40 (full synthetic version)
Shell Rotella T (full synthetic version, not to be confused with
Rotella SB synthetic blend or regular Rotella T non-synthetic)
Amsoil Series 3000, 5w30 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated)
Amsoil High Performance, 10w40 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated)
Amsoil semi-synthetic 15w40 (CH-4 rated and high quality, but almost as
expensive as the full synthetic, and higher viscosity at low
temperatures)
Redline, synthetic version (make sure you get the type meant for diesel
engines, with the CG-4 or CH-4 rating)
There are intermediate classes of oils in between full synthetic oils
and conventional oils. These include synthetic blends, and so-called
"Group III" hydroisomerized oils, and are also available in viscosity
ranges suitable for all climates. They include:
Shell Rotella SB (synthetic blend)
Petro-Canada Duron, various viscosity's (Group III, various grades
available, ensure CG-4 or CH-4 rating on the bottle)
Castrol Syntec 5w30, 5w40 (Group III - note that this oil is frequently
recommended by VW dealers but is NOT rated CG-4 or CH-4, and isn't a
full synthetic - which calls into question what the dealer is telling
people ... this forum is generally of the opinion that Castrol Syntec
is not the best choice for this engine)
In warm weather, a good-quality non-synthetic oil meant for diesel
engines with CG-4 or CH-4 ratings may be used. They're not suitable in
cold weather due to reduced cold-pumping properties, and it's prudent
to shorten the oil change interval because non-synthetic oils may not
resist breakdown at high temperatures as well as the synthetic oils
(remember that turbocharger). These oils are much easier to find. These
include:
Mobil Delvac 1300, 15w40
Shell Rotella T, 15w40
Chevron Delo 400, 15w40
Beware of other brands that claim to be diesel-rated or turbo-rated,
but are actually just plain cheap. Use the good stuff. If you doubt
this, ask transport truck drivers that own their rigs what they use.
Chances are it will be Delvac or Rotella.
In cold weather, if CG-4 or CH-4 rated synthetic oil cannot be found,
regular Mobil 1 rated CF in viscosity grades 0w30, 5w30, or 10w30 may
be used, but with a shortened oil change interval because this oil
doesn't have as much capability to handle soot.
So what's the deal if something else is used besides the expensive and
sometimes hard-to-find 5w40 full-synthetic CH-4 rated oil?
Conventional oils that are meant for diesels are usually viscosity SAE
15w40. That's okay in warm weather, but not in cold weather. You want
oil to reach that turbocharger as soon as possible after a cold start,
and it takes longer to get there if the oil won't pump easily.
Synthetic oils have many advantages over conventional oils, not the
least of which is better cold pumping characteristics, and hence the
common 5w40 viscosity grades.
It is possible to get some non-synthetic oils with viscosity's such as
0w30, 5w50, etc. In non-synthetic oils, these can only be achieved by
heavy use of viscosity-index modifiers, a type of additive, whereas
synthetic oils can easily achieve a viscosity range like 5w40 with
little or no use of viscosity-index modifiers. For various reasons we'd
rather not get into, it's better to have the viscosity right in the
base stock, than to tinker with the viscosity using additives.
Oils that lack the CG-4 or CH-4 rating don't have the same level of
anti-foaming and soot-dispersing capability. The best quality
diesel-engine oils deal with it and render the soot as harmless to the
engine as possible. Oils that don't meet the CG-4 or CH-4 ratings can't
handle as much soot, so you need to change them sooner.
Finally, cheaply made oils (not the same as cheaply priced ...) usually
won't have the same resistance to breakdown at high temperatures, that
good quality oil does. High temperatures are found in the turbocharger.
When oil breaks down at high temperature over a period of time, it
"cokes" or builds up deposits in the high-temperature area, which then
restrict lubrication. Bye-bye, turbo. There has been one reported turbo
failure which was traced to lubrication failure. Do a search of the
forums for "turbo failure" to find out what oil he was using...
Todd
On Feb 10, 2005, at 10:02 AM, John Hayes wrote:
Kim & Garth Travis wrote:
Greetings,
Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30
oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines.
It seems weird to run ordinary oil.
Hi Kim.
Assuming you're talking about a VW TDI, the answer depends on the
model year.
Up through 2003, you should use Mobil Delvac 1 which only comes in
gallon jugs. To confuse things, Mobil also repackages this very
product in quarts as Mobil 1 Truck & SUV. Catepiller also sells Delvac
1 relabeled as Cat Full Synthetic 5W-40 Oil.
Do not confuse these products with Delvac1300 which is not a full
synthetic or regular Mobil 1 which is not for diesels.
For 2004 on, you *must* use a VW certified 505.01 oil. Dealers stock
Castrol 505.01. You can also get Elf or Motul branded 505.01 oil
online. Do NOT let anyone try to convince you that 505.00 oil "good
enough."
jh
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:18:42 -0500
From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
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G'day JD;
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using
standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the
UK)?
Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the
5
gallon processor at JtF
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just
finished
one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet
experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. It
evaporated the methanol although the lid wasn't secure enough and I got
leakage of methanol and around a heat source that is counter-indicated as
the stuff is very volatile, so I am modifying the lid of the pressure
cooker
to be more hermetically sealed in order to send all the vapours into the
condenser.
My condenser is almost identical to the one at JtF except that I used "T"
fittings for the water inlet and drain. The in/out side of the "T" is
threaded for standard 2" and so I used a fine thread bung cap with 3/4
thread incorporated in the cap and plumbed a hose barb to it and then
clamped the hose onto the barb.
Sealing the end caps was also a challenge. I tried epoxy, but it cracked
and
leaked, so I then remembered using a thing called Goop
http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infgoo.shtm to fix a bit of
trim
that had come loose on the Benz, and this is cold weather and damp as well
and it is still holding perfectly a year later, so I Goop-ed the copper
tubing exiting the end caps with this stuff and it is holding up quite
nicely, no leaks. I hope to have pics available soon.I have pics of the
condenser but am waiting until I can get the unit working properly before
posting about it all.
Luc
JD2005
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:20:00 -0500
From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
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The 10% one is a bust. It cleans but doesn't foam well, on to number two,
the 15% :-)
Luc
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:05:36 +0900
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
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Greetings Pan
Biorefinaries is surly less complex , small, tiny than petroleum
oil very big refinaries, let our young the chemical and other
engineers be prepare for this green great future of biomass for
food, feed fuel, fertilizer and fine chemicals(natural product
medicine)
Our biofuel list is the major forum to promote this green
tecnology and is not the place where here we promote the
political views only as some one may think
They don't actually "think" that. More like it's a reaction which
protects them from thinking.
Biofuel list is nowadays as someone misunderstood that
becoming against some political system or religious system and
Big Corporative marketing system
Anti-USA, right? Don't let it bother you Pan, it happens all the
time. Here's the most recent one:
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050131/005440.html
Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] "Let Them Eat Rocket Fuel"John Guttridge
You can see how disconnected this guy is, such cognitive dissonance
allows a person to "think" whatever's most convenient at the time.
Peggy was the previous one, accusing us of "America-bashing" and
hating America and so on - again, completely disconnected:
http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050131/005287.html
[Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Asked to substantiate their view, to provide examples, they bluster,
no examples, no substantiation. Always the same. Steve Spence did it
twice, got furious each time, blustered furiously, and stormed out
furiously, twice. After the last time, he was saying on other lists
how we hate America here.
It's no use reasoning with this kind of attitude, it's not based on
reason.
There's an interesting example in that first reference above, from
Dave Shaw, also an American, who said this here recently:
I have certainly
been guilty of reacting to statements that I read as anti-American, only
to reread the further and find that the statement was of different
intent. It was I who was reading anti-American sentiments. How funny.
This is another important lesson that has been learned over the years,
and I largely credit this list for speeding up that learning process.
But others just cannot see that - cannot or will not. This might be
why, a couple of quotes:
"If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he
will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered
something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his
instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence." --
Bertrand Russell. And: "Every man, wherever he goes, is encompassed
by a cloud of comforting convictions, which move with him like flies
on a summer day."
"One of the fundamental findings of cognitive science is that people
think in terms of frames and metaphors - conceptual structures. The
frames are in the synapses of our brains - physically present in the
form of neural circuitry. When the facts don't fit the frames, the
frames are kept and the facts ignored." -- George Lakoff
So I don't know what you've heard Pan, but it's just someone grinding
an axe, nothing new, it happens all the time when selfish people
aren't allowed to have their own way at everyone else's expense, and
it's not important. Something I've said here before: "Only damaging
TRUTHS could hurt us, and there aren't any."
I am bring this news here because this is not true as we all
know this , but I am sure that what we all want surely and
agree collectively here is an globalized one world where the
globalized Village will be supported by our network lending helping
hand for bio and people power , true democracy for environmental
protection where including the Big Blues nations small village will
have it place too. Ruralization with biorefinaries is not means
the technology of the poor , but different to the Big petro
refinery global models
Here in this new world nothing is isolated as we all are in one
world moving to toward seein the one TV news only all the same ,
but different language .What no one want here is no the war , but
wish to promote integration as I understand with my long time
participation here
Here surely we the list members do integrate political,
cultural , ecological and of curse technological issues too.
In this context , I express my sincere thanks to our list group
leader Keith courage and determination not to eliminate freedom
of expression even though it is related with Powerful Big Blues
and Big Corporations leading to several legal issues , after all
he is not the one promoting this , but the responsibility is of the
one who write ,send it and surely is not the Biofuel list that can be
blamed for the same.
Some outsider may feel and be unhappy informing that our list
move nowadys from technological to political only.
It's not true either. In these cases "political" almost always means
nothing more than "stuff I don't agree with". These are often the
people who complain about "off-topic" posts, but what they really
want is for the "political" content that they disagree with to be
censored - but if you stop THEIR posts, for good reason, because
they're being abusive, for instance, they immediately complain about
censorship!
You see how one-sided all of this is?
Check the archives, which anyone can do, and it's easy to see that,
no matter how you interpret it, the technical posts continue all the
time, regardless of how much "political" discussion there might be.
Nobody's forcing them to read anything they don't want to read,
messages have subjects after all. So why are they unhappy? Because
other members write "stuff I don't agree with" and they want it
censored - and they're not even honest about it.
So let them say whatever they like, it doesn't matter.
Here we do have
lot of biodiversity and some of our member
can freely express their views .We do have several members from
different countries wit lot of biodiversity and I am sure that they
can surely defend any unfair attack if it is true.
Our list is not made to make an war against any nation and not t
surely against Big petro refineries , but surely focus thoughts
to the new biorefinarinary inovative model of decentralised ,
democratically based systems globalized village with small
Biorefinaries to give people biopower.If we cant defend this power
of the biofuel ,then who will do it as this is clearly against the
interest of the very very Big Blues Multinational Corporation and
they do not belong to any nation but are there every where.
As native Indian and bees collectively builds , each Village
Biorefinaries are differently and collectivelly build by the
people and for the people without the help of BigBlues .Our network
need to be the catalyst to accelerate the process and not to allow
the Big Blues mecanical and chemical sytem swallowing all the
small ecologically natural agricultural system But the the small
biorefinary is surely need tyo compete with Big blues. This is
reality fight between Big and small not betwen one nation against
but promoted with few people..Let us have courage to stop this
unfare war to make the ecolocal equilibrium and peace, biofuel ,
biorefinaries for all
All written here is surly my personel view , need not be
confused with any national or anti national or Biofuel list views
or the Keith views .
I think you're quite right.
Thankyou Pan, best wishes
Keith
I thank again here that we all can not only express freely . Let
us we also prepare well to recieve and reply the attack if the
views expressed are unfair , and thus I find this as the more
democratic and dynamic list among 6 technical list I participate .
Our debate on Sacred Cow and biofuel is well known here , as
Keith never took side on the particular group or nation and thus
never divided removed any one with out motive but he also see
the point on the other side so that we have our objetive here very
clear and us move colectively together with renewation of the new
informations
Birefinaries are this new biofuel hot topic where we all need to
integrate bioethanol , biogas, Biooil, wood gas and also bioD too
.Let us have the ball rolling on this hot topoic in our list.
sd
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 02:05:36 +0900
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Biofuel] US diesel options - was Re: New member introduction
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Hello Richard and all
There are these:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_UScars.html
Diesels in the US
But it's a couple of years old now. Anyone game to help me update it?
Full copy below Richard's message.
Thanks
Keith
Ok.... My wife REALLY wants an SUV. I want a compromise of a Wagon.
Need space for "stuff" and 2 kids... but I want the efficiency of a
hybrid or diesel.
Looks like in the USA there are three options:
Mercedes
Volvo
Volkswagon
Any others? Especially to fit my station wagon/SUV desires? Opinions
on the reliability of the three brands in diesel? I don't have the
money for a new, or I might consider the new Jeep Liberty TDI. =sigh=
Thanks for your input!
-Richard!
Diesels in the US
New cars
VW Tdi
Jetta sedan and wagon
Golf
New Beetle
Mercedes
No longer sells a diesel in the US -- but Mercedes-Benz has said it
will offer a diesel-powered version of its 2004 model E Class sedans
on the US market.
SUVs
Ford Excursion
Chevrolet Suburban diesel discontinued in 1999
Used cars
-- from most available to least available (more or less)
VW Tdi
Jetta, Beetle, Golf, mid-90s Passat, Pickup, Vanagon
Mercedes diesels
(Sedans and wagons)
'81 to '85: 300D, SD and SDL
Earlier: 300D and 240D
The 300s were 5-cylinder, later models with turbo, the 240s all
4-cylinder non-turbo.
Later: '87 300TD wagon, 6-cylinder
'87 300SD (big body) sedan, 6-cylinder
190D, non-turbo 4-cylinder - later models may have turbo
'90's - 300D sedans and 300TD wagons went back to a 5-cylinder turbo,
300SD still had the 6-cylinder
350
Unimog truck
VW non-Tdi turbos and non-turbos
Jetta, Golf, Rabbit, Quantum, Dasher, Pickup, Vanagon, first diesel
Rabbits from around 1979.
Others
Audi 5000 diesel 1979-83
BMW diesels:
524TD or 528TD, 1984-1985, 6-cylinder. Rare.
The same engine was used in the mid-'80s Lincoln Continential Town
Car, also rare.
Volvo diesel car (VW 5-cylinder non-turbo and turbo)
Peugeot diesels:
The turbodiesel in the 505 sedans and wagons was a good engine, the
non-turbo in the 504 was pokey, all rare.
Nissan Camry
Nissan Sentra
Nissan pickup (4x4 turbo diesel)
Isuzu Imark car 1.8 liter
Isuzu PUP pickup truck 2.2 liter non-turbo and turbo
Toyota Pickup
Toyota Camry
Mazda Pickup truck 1984 B2200
Mitsubishi Mighty Max Pickup truck
General Motors
The infamous Oldsmobile diesel engines made by General Motors from
1978-1985. The V8 5.7 liter was fitted to Oldsmobile sedans,
Cadillacs and Chevrolets, and some pick-ups.
The V6 4.3 liter was available in smaller front-wheel-drive vehicles,
eg. Cutlass Calais.
Chevrolet car (3.5L)
Chevrolet trucks (6.2L-6.5L, Duramax diesel)
Chevrolet LUV (Isuzu pickup)
Chevrolet Chevette (1.8 liter Isuzu diesel engine)
Ford
1983-1987 6.9L IDI (Indirect Injection) V8 non-turbo diesel
1988-1994 7.3L IDI (Indirect Injection) V8 non-turbo diesel
1993-1994 7.3L IDI (Indirect Injection) V8 turbo diesel
1994-2003 7.3L DI (Direct Injection) V8 turbo diesel (Powerstroke)
The 6.9L/7.3L was available in E series vans and F series trucks F-250 up
The Powerstroke was available in E series vans and F series trucks
F250 up and Excursion.
Ford Topaz (Mazda diesel)
Ford Ranger (Mazda diesel) in the 1980s
Dodge trucks (Cummings diesel)
SUVs
Chevrolet Suburban 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel
International Scout (Nissan diesel motor)
Isuzu Trooper 2.2 liter non-turbo and turbo
Toyota Land Cruisers imported from Canada.
Chrysler Jeep (diesels brought in from Canada)
Pre-74 Land Rovers, 4 cyl. 2.5 non-turbo diesel
Coming soon
GM will be bringing out a V6 version of the Duramax for smaller
vehicles (smaller than the 3/4-ton truck it comes in now).
Ford V6 4.5-liter "baby Powerstroke" for the F-150 pickup, Expedition
and E-150 van, by 2005 -- could end up in SUVs
Ford is planning a clean-running diesel for the Ford Focus car for the
USA.
Detroit Diesel/Allison "Delta" V6 diesel - common-rail, direct
injection - to be installed in SUVs and light trucks.
Mercedes-Benz is to offer a diesel-powered version of its 2004 model
E Class sedans.
VW 12-cylinder diesel, in the new VW SUV (rumored).
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:59:01 -0600
From: DHAJOGLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive
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The New Testament clearly proclaims that as the Second Person of the
Trinity,
Christ created the universe and continues to sustain it. As such, all of
creation belongs to Him. He is Creator, Sustainer, and Owner. (Heb. 1:2-3;
Col. 1:16-17, 19; Jn. 1:1-4.)
This is what I see:
Christ created the universe and continues to sustain it. Therefore,
Christ is a sustanable resource. We should be drilling for, collecting,
or otherwise using Christ to fuel our cars. Furthermore, if everything
belongs to him then pollution too belongs to him (he is the owner
afterall). Therefore, anything we do is actually his property and as such
his problem.
Sorry, but their intent is good but there methods are simply silly.
-dave
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:11:05 -0500
From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive
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G'day;
First off, nowhere in the Bible will you find the words "trinity", it is
manufactured.
So-called evangelicals love to waste their and our time with this kind of
stuff instead of putting their time into more important issues, like
stopping the support for endless wars and criminal political states.
On the other note, when man was given the majesty of choice it meant that
he
was responsible for what he does with it; it is just too convenient
toblame
God for everything man, of his free will, does. If things are screwed up
(it's rhetorical, of course they are) we must look a little closer to
home,
like the mirror for example.
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "DHAJOGLO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive
The New Testament clearly proclaims that as the Second Person of the
Trinity,
Christ created the universe and continues to sustain it. As such, all of
creation belongs to Him. He is Creator, Sustainer, and Owner. (Heb. 1:2-3;
Col. 1:16-17, 19; Jn. 1:1-4.)
This is what I see:
Christ created the universe and continues to sustain it. Therefore,
Christ
is a sustanable resource. We should be drilling for, collecting, or
otherwise using Christ to fuel our cars. Furthermore, if everything
belongs
to him then pollution too belongs to him (he is the owner afterall).
Therefore, anything we do is actually his property and as such his
problem.
Sorry, but their intent is good but there methods are simply silly.
-dave
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:08:48 +0900
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Soap
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Hij Jan, dag Pieter, hi all
Hell Pieter et al,
soap making is transforming an oil into a metal salt. There are tables
over
the saponification numbers for most oils, based upon the average molecule
mass for each oil. When using KOH or NaOH , it«s the K+ and Na+ parts that
creates the soap together with the fatty acids of the oil. It does not
matter if there are free fatty acids or not. In order to saponify an
unknown
oil correctly, you have to establish its average molecule weight first,
but
a good guess would be to use the molecule mass of palm oil, since WVO
mostly
has that origin.
Is that the case in Sweden Jan?
I don't think it's universal. Here in Japan it's usually canola or
soy, in Australia I think cottonseed oil and beef tallow are common.
I'm not sure what other countries use. Sunflower, corn, safflower,
peanut, olive, sesame, coconut... We had a member from Greece asking
about processing olive oil WVO.
I'd like to know who gets what WVO where - any volunteers?
Jan Warnqvist
AGERATEC AB
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From: "Pieter Koole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Soap
> Hi all,
> The more I read the messages about soap making, the more I realize that
> I
> don't understand the principle of soap making.
> Can anybody tell me (or give a link) what exactly is saponification ?
> Do
> only the FFA's saponify, or the total oil ?
> If this saponification is well known, why isn't it possible to find out
how
> much lye is needed in an unknown oil (mixture) like WVO ? If somebody
> ever
> found out
> how much lye one needs to saponify (is that the right word ?) for
> example
> olive oil, how did he or she do that ? Can't we replicate that method
> with
a
> mixture of used oils ?
> Mike wrote that coconut oil could dry out the skin if used to much. Why
does
> it do that ? What happens ? Why doesn't olive oil do that ? Somewhere I
also
> read, that glycerin moisturizes the skin, but if one would use to much
> in
> soap, it would work the other way round and dry out the skin. Why is
> that
Glycerin is a moisturiser up to a point, and beyond that point it's a
hydrophiliac - ie it loves water, or water loves it. So when there's
too much glycerin it will extract all the water from your skin.
Best wishes
Keith
> Met dank en vriendelijke groet,
> Pieter Koole
> Netherlands
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anti-Fossil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
>
>
> > I have been making my own soap for about 14 years now. The only real
> > "secret" that I have found in regards to fantastic foaming action of
your
> > soaps is the inclusion of coconut oil (c.o.) in your recipe. I am
> > aware
> > that a few of the more popular websites, and even books written on
> > the
> > subject, warn against using too high a percentage of c.o. because of
> > its
> > drying effects on the skin. However, I keep the percentage of c.o.
> > in
my
> > soap between 20% and 40%, and haven't had any problems with
> > excessively
> dry
> > skin. Common sense must also come in to play of course. If you
> > start
> with
> > dry skin, you would definitely want to stay on lower end of those
> > percentages with c.o., and increase the hydrating oils like olive,
> > and
> > settle for less foaming soap.
> >
> > AntiFossil
> > Mike Krafka USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
> >
> >
> > > Dear Legal Eagle,
> > >
> > > There is an industrial and commercial method of using
> > > refined glycerin for the manufacturing of natural
> > > soaps and detergents (and the harsher soaps too).
> > >
> > > As JFT advocates, there is a personal quest too -
> > > making your own stuff.
> > >
> > > In the industrial and commercial world there is a
> > > worldwide "glut" of glcyerin! compared to a couple
> > > years ago. I've been following this recently.
> > >
> > > But on the personal level, me thinks the idea of
> > > making homegrown soaps is pretty neat.
> > >
> > > It can be Family get together like making ice cream!
> > >
> > > Take care and good luck!
> > >
> > > --- Legal Eagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What to do with the copious amounts of glycerine by
> > > > product ? We can follow
> > > > through with the seperation of the components an get
> > > > a close to pure
> > > > glycerine, providing we have a market for it, or we
> > > > can use it to make soap.
> > > > JtF has a few good articles on that too.
> > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html
> > > > I am in the process of experiementing with a couple
> > > > recipes that, I hope,
> > > > will give a fairly decent usable product. I have
> > > > used some as a body soap
> > > > and it works great, however very little foamong
> > > > action and that is a problem
> > > > in most circles, so I am trying three diffenrent
> > > > approaches.
> > > > 1) 100ml water with 10gr NaOH per liter of glycerine
> > > > by product
> > > > 2) 150ml water with 15gr NaOH per liter of glycerine
> > > > by product
> > > > 30 200ml water with 20gr NaOH per liter of glycerine
> > > > by product
> > > >
> > > > Firstly the methanol must be removed/recovered by
> > > > raising the temps above
> > > > 65C (148.5F) and then the NaOH disolved into a
> > > > little more than warm water.
> > > > Once the glycerine has cooled a bit, to about 43C
> > > > (110F) then mix in the
> > > > water/NaOH while stirring for about a minute or two.
> > > > Pour into a mold and
> > > > let settle. How long will be subject of another post
> > > > when I have it figured
> > > > out :-)
> > > > The first one has had two weeks to settle out
> > > > anything that was going to do
> > > > that and it did. Some gelatenous substance caked a
> > > > portion of the hardened
> > > > glycerine and had to be scrapped off, but the result
> > > > was still solid bars.
> > > > The second and third recipes are yet to be finished
> > > > however they already
> > > > show more potential, primarily the third which began
> > > > solidifying almost
> > > > immediately and shows good promise.
> > > > I shall keep you posted as to the success/failure of
> > > > this as we go along. No
> > > > sense throwing away a perfectly good product if it
> > > > can be used eh? I am
> > > > determined that it will.
> > > > Luc
> > > >
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:23:54 -0500
From: grahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Bill in VA
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http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?051+sum+HJ598
Thought some here might be interested.
Caroline
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