I think you meant to forward this to some other group. You have forwarded it apparently to the same group.
Sincerely, Josh On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:24:52 +0900, you wrote: >Fwd from biofuels-biz: > > >>To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> >>From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:25:55 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] Connecting the Wildfire >>Issue and the Biofuel Issue >> >> > First, I think the conflagrations, however terrible, should be viewed >> > not only as a threat to property and lives, but also as evidence, to >> > those who might not recognize it, of the huge amount of energy >> > incident up on the earth. In this case it's converted to biofuels. >> >>Hey!!! Solar power is awesumb, ain't it? Just too bad that the"grid(s)" >>transmission towers don't grow everywhere that trees do. Which seems to be >>one of several major drawbacks relative to forested biomass. The vastly >>overwhelming majority of lands being considered for fuels reduction programs >>aren't anywhere near existing transmission lines. In all too many of these >>instances the amount of fuel consumed is greater than what can be obtained, >>after logging, of course. (This includes not only transportation but road >>building as well.) >> >>What all these advocates of fuels reduction don't seem to latch onto is that >>the infrastructure doesn't exist yet to utilize the supply. Well, at least >>not the supply of biomass for anything but logging purposes. But then the >>logging and timber interests aren't exactly in the energy business, are >>they? And the only way they're going to concern themselves with the business >>of energy is if they are forced to - legislated to work cohesively with >>energy interests in the practice of supplying feedstock while at the same >>time pursuing their own industrial endeavors. >> >>And the only way the energy interests are going to produce micro- or >>"transient" power plants is if the legislation is effected that makes their >>manufacture and employment attractive, which would mean the guarantee of at >>least a 30 year program to cover the lead time needed to produce enough >>plants and permit the full utility of their mechanical lifecycles. [In case >>no one's noticed, guarantees for any alternative fuels programs are as rare >>as dodos, much less lifecycle guarantees.] >> >>Even if all this were in the legislative works, who or what arm of >>government is going to guarantee that the capital interests of energy and >>timber are held subserviant to the interest of a healthy environmental - >>flora, fauna, watersheds and atmosphere? Or are these private interests >>going to be permitted to police themselves? It's painfully obvious what the >>present US administration thinks of federal land, much less the people >>employed to responsibly manage them. [Oh damn. I forgot. "Responsibly" is a >>subjective term.] >> >> > As to the folks who build in the wilderness and need their homes >> > protected, I don't exactly have a "tough shit" attitude, but I don't >> > advocate spending every effort to protect every inch of human >> > structures. >> >>While you many not have a "tough potatos" attitude towards those who take >>such risks, I certainly do. If they don't want their life's joy to be boiled >>down to a bed of embers, perhaps they should consider straw bale and steel >>roof, as well as living simply, rather than 2,000+ square foot stick builts >>in the midst of a forested watershed. >> >> > What I had in mind, as to specific suggestions, was more of the >> > modest-sized efforts I'd heard about in Oroville, CA (a local >> > wood-material incinerator) and in Flagstaff, AZ (where their efforts >> > caught my eye in part because they've partly succeeded in some >> > remediation, they claim, and because their answers didn't seem >> > simplistic but seemed to say that a combination and variety of >> > remediation methods seemed to work best for them so far.) >> >>You know. There is one other wee little aspect some might care to consider. >>The demand for lumber and wood products is far exceeded by the Earth's >>production of forest biomass. Plain pure and simple, the Earth has always >>had forest fires and there will always be forest fires. The biggest problem >>being faced now is not that there are fires, but that the history of >>suppression of what would historically have been "healthy" fires for a >>forest has in turn created the devastating pattern the North American >>continent now faces every spring, summer and fall. >> >>Todd Swearingen >> >> > So, if we identify more localities where they're going to attempt some >> > remediation anyway, then I think they could be encouraged to install >> > some modestly-priced modest-sized wood-to-electricity facilities, even >> > if only as a semi-temporary measure until they get their local forests >> > back into a healthy balance. So, I think I"m suggesting to some >> > extent the opposite of the overly ambitious giganto-sized project >> > covering virtually everything that you took me to be suggesting. >> > >> > Once the idea of wood-to-electricity is in place and somewhat more >> > widespread, I"d think that folks would want to sometimes expand it, >> > such as if-when they find their electricity costs are out of control >> > from other sources. At that point, you could evaluate if and to what >> > extent you'd want to get into more exploitive use of forests. I admit >> > this was part of my original idea... no reason not to cut down a few >> > trees and use them, but I don't think I had in mind cutting down >> > virtually all the forests of the world everywhere, just to encourage a >> > bit more use of them, starting with localized remdiation that is going >> > to have to happen anyway, with or without wood-to-electricity. >> > >> > One of the things I forgot to mention about Oroville is that much of >> > the wood is of a type that isn't much good for building, and perhaps >> > it was said it's not ideal for firewood. >> > >> > >> > MM > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark >Printer at Myinks.com. 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