Hello; There are some MC's running on diesel. In india they are selling old british (Enfield Bullets) bikes converted to diesel. In Europe there are some small companies working diesel based bikes.
But out of the big manufacturers (Suzuki Honda Yanaha Kawasaki BMW Harley etc) none of them has such model. I believe the emissions may be a reason, also high maintenance and heavy engines (compared to gasoline). In any case a samll capacity (less than 250cc) bike will give you avery high mileage (like 50 to 60mpg) (2 litres to 100km). Higher displacement bikes (like 1000cc 100Hp) whic will give you 30 to 40mpg (6 litre to 100km). Consumption on bikes heavily depends how much you twist throttle and how often..... With the same bike different riders (with different habits) will have different values. If I were to prefer the MC for savings I would stick to 4 stroke 250cc engine utility models. Cheap to buy, cheap to maintain and cheap to insure..... I just wish more drivers would use MC's to save energy time and money. Last month there was an article about a Motorcycle running on fuel cell. Another good idea. Please check http://envbike.com/ Best Regards Burak Cedetas -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rademan, Jacobus Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:15 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes Hi all, i own a landrover disco tdi and get 980km on a tank 85l but on the motorbike which use petrol 19km/l my question,where are the tdi motorbikes,diesel cars are lighter than petrol cars,so diesel bikes will also be,is 40km/l reachable????????? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:30 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes Hello; 22mpg diesel cost less than same amount of gasoline so you save some. BUT, May I ask why do you need a Hummer sized expedition machine? Except USA such large cars or SUV's are out of our shopping list anyway. The cost and running expenses do not justify them. I like going offroad. Currently I do that with a motorbike. If I choose to buy an offroad 4x4, I wouldn't consider anything bigger than 2.5 litre diesel which will give me at least 25 to 30mpg. May be we should consider to change our purchasing habbits in favour of preserving whatever is left in the world in terms of resources. I hope the below quote from your e-mail will come true some day; "The US needs (and will) get over its fascination w/ giant cars." As I have written in my previous e-mail, our kids will be the ones to suffer / enjoy results of our choices. Regards Burak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:24 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes Not in a Hummer-sized or Expedition-sized vehicle you won't! I counted over 30 that don't even get 20 mpg on EPA's website. I have a VW Golf and get at least 43-46. The US doesn't sell small diesels, except the Jeep, but it's so heavy it still get no mileage. Isuzu was was the last carmaker to build a decent midsize SUV w/ a diesel - it got 30-35 or so but that was years ago. The US needs (and will) get over its fascination w/ giant cars. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hello; > >You will get far more than 22mpg with diesel. >Unless of course you are looking for very large capacity engine (like 6 >litres) which and average city user does not need. > >Over here (outside of USA) you can buy 2.5 to 3.5 litre diesel engined >SUV's and Vans. >You will get at least 25mpg. And these are 4x4 heavy duty machines. > >Or you can get small capacity diesel cars (example 1.6 litre Hyundai Getz) >and you get something >like 40 miles to a gallon easily. These are real life values including city >traffic (not test values). > >I have looked at the article, it mentiones that in US the refineries do not >have the capacity for the diesel production. >Well hey maybe this is a great opportunity for bio-diesel.... Start using >the vegetable oil or even better >waste vegetable oil. You will save the environment, create jobs for local >farmers and pollute far less. >I would estimate that for a bio-diesel plant it will take maximum 6 months >from scratch to be operational. >And you can use the local farmers produce or local restaurants WVO (and save >the pollution). >Even better if you have the talent like many in this list you can make it at >home, and save a bundle... > >Article also mentions that diesel prices are soaring. Yes this is true. I >can tell you that this is a great >tax revenue for all of the government. I can tell you that over here there >are less taxes on biodiesel. >The government actually supports the BD production. Therefore the BD sells >for less than normal diesel. >To save more please refer to the last sentence of the previous paragraph. > >There is one more issue about commercial transportation. We need to build >more railroads. Trucking everything >wil not be feasible. Again in Turkiye I believe we have the largest truck >population in Europe. But at the end of the >day no matter how many roads you build they are always congested and the >accident rates are difficult to control. >For commercial transportation you need to build railroads and develop the >seaways. > >So there is a solution for all of the claims this article makes. It all >comes down to the personal choice of each individual. >Do we want to solve problems? Or do we prefer to enjoy the luxury of >"wasting energy"? I gues our kids will be the one >to appreciate our efforts or put the blame on us. > >regards > >Burak >Istanbul, Turkiye > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:21 PM >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > > >I read that. Diesel will only help if combined w/ high mileage cars, >hybrid and bio. To go to diesel so Americans can get 22 mpg in their >SUVs is pretty silly. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>Click here: Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes >> >> >> ><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR20050807 0 >0888.html> > > >>FYI. 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