wait...are talking about Streeter or the Bush administration? "I want my SUV" sung to the tune of "I want my MTV..."
Appal Energy wrote: >And I was so looking forward to see how he would set his own noose in >motion by his own processes. > >Oh well. > > > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > >>Hi Todd >> >> >> >> >> >>>Dogonnit Keith, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Sorry about that. >> >> >> >> >> >>>If the guy is going to behave in such a fashion, those who have to >>>suffer it should at least be able to grill him about his generalities >>>and stereotyping until he's forced to admit that there is a lot more to >>>the bag of beans than he would care to recognize. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>He won't admit it if he doesn't want to, no matter what you do, >>you've seen it yourself. Anyway, he's been here for two and a half >>years already, if he doesn't care to recognise it by now, then again >>he doesn't want to. (I guess that's his prerogative, but it's not his >>prerogative to dump it on us, nor on anybody.) Grilling him's >>unlikely to get anywhere, countering his views would show him up to >>everyone else but he still wouldn't see it. I think there's no >>shortage of such demonstrations in the list archives and I doubt >>doing it again this time would have added anything. >> >> >> >> >> >>>Just throttling the guy lets him off too easy. Now it's he who gets to >>>claim that his sensibilities were offended, further enforcing and >>>propigating his peculiar beliefs elsewhere. >>> >>>Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves. If they're smart, they won't >>>use it all. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Wouldn't it be true that if they were smart they wouldn't do it in >>the first place? He already hanged himself, he ignored everything and >>everyone, that's not smart. >> >> >> >> >> >>>If they aren't, the world should at least be given the >>>pleasure of watching them swing at the end of the yardarm of their own >>>making. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>:-) Do you mean in the sense that justice must be seen to be done or >>something like that? You might have a point. But really it just >>wastes time, it's a distraction, it clutters the place up, makes it >>more difficult for serious people to carry on a reasonable >>discussion. It's exactly that kind of crap that's truly "off-topic". >>It doesn't take much to drag a list down, as we all know, just one or >>two heedless people who want it all their own way. It's because this >>kept happening time and time again that people started yelling "NO >>TOPIC-COPS!" in the first place, years ago. We had it all out then, a >>few times, and that's when the rule was made. We formalised it a year >>ago, me and a group of list members, the whole list concurred, and >>that's that. Now it happens much less. >> >>Has anything much changed, is there anything more to it now than the >>following? >> >> >> >> >> >>>>What does it amount to anyway? "You're only allowed to >>>>talk about what **I** want to talk about"? Usually it's either that >>>>or a poorly disguised demand for censorship. Or a complaint that >>>>there isn't any censorship, which looks like Duff's case. Not that >>>>he'd call it censorship. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>There's been a constant trickle of these people for nearly five >>years, and what most of them have in common is that no matter what >>you do, no matter what's proved or disproved and resides in a >>publicly accessible archives for all to see, if he wants to claim >>that it's his sensibilities that were offended and wants to propagate >>his beliefs elsewhere, HE'LL DO IT ANYWAY. >> >>Another thing we've found is that it doesn't matter. If people are >>smart they'll check, ask a few questions, and quickly discover that >>he's full of it. If not, then the same applies - what does it matter? >> >>Todd, I'm not just dismissing what you say, you make some good >>points, as ever. I'll surely keep them in mind. Too late this time >>though. >> >>I should say I don't know what Duff will do or won't do, I'm not >>trying to hang all this on him personally, all I can say is how other >>people who've expressed the same views have behaved in the past. >> >>Anyway it's not my concern. My often-stated position is that as >>list-owner my first obligation is to the list itself and the issues >>it represents, my second obligation is to the individual members, >>UNTIL they put the first obligation at risk. We do everything we can >>to make sure list members know what kind of community they've joined >>and how to get the best out of it, if they don't take any notice >>that's their problem. It's their loss too - it wouldn't be easy to >>persuade me that heedless and selfish people are any loss to the >>list. It isn't here for "outreach", it doesn't have a missionary >>role, it's only here to be useful to its members (many of whom use it >>as a source for their own outreach). >> >>Hey, Todd, all this isn't aimed at you either, just restating policy. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Keith Addison >>Journey to Forever >>KYOTO Pref., Japan >>http://journeytoforever.org/ >>Biofuel list owner >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Todd Swearingen >>> >>> >>> >>>Keith Addison wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Greetings to all, I am an avid alternative fuel >>>>>advocate who is building a large home sized processor. >>>>>I do hope you will read this and maybe it will help >>>>>get us back on track!!All this talk of politics as far >>>>>as I am concerned is for the most part way out of >>>>>line,and with a lot of misconceptions toward a >>>>>political adjenda.We All need to get focused on what >>>>>and where we are headed with the alternative energy >>>>>issues,and stop talking about all these politics, >>>>>and put our time and money where our mouths are and DO >>>>>Something constructive !! Sincerly Spoken.Duff >>>>>Streeter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Exit Duff Streeter. Sad to say, after more than two years. But he was >>>>told about this, like everyone else - twice in his case: >>>> >>>>List rules: >>>>http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 >>>>5-May/000007.html >>>>Or: >>>>http://snipurl.com/gi45 >>>> >>>>See "Open discussion", and the "Note" at the end: "There aren't a lot >>>>of rules, but that is one of them: no calls for restricted >>>>discussion. It's a discussion list, not a less-discussion list." >>>> >>>>In other words, NO TOPIC-COPS! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>From a recent post, Robert's reply to Clif: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Just a thought to further take this list into a land far away from >>>>>>renewable energy sources. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Some of these issues may seem tangential at first. Close >>>>>examination, however, will reveal how energy use, foreign policy, >>>>>religious perspective, racism and many other "isms" blend to create >>>>>the overall milieu in which the topic of biofuels exist. We who have >>>>>been here for any length of time agree by consensus that which is >>>>>deserving of discussion and that which is not. It's remarkably self >>>>>regulating, for the most part. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Yes it is, for the most part. Once again, nobody's forcing anyone to >>>>read anything they don't want to read, messages have subject titles >>>>after all. What does it amount to anyway? "You're only allowed to >>>>talk about what **I** want to talk about"? Usually it's either that >>>>or a poorly disguised demand for censorship. Or a complaint that >>>>there isn't any censorship, which looks like Duff's case. Not that >>>>he'd call it censorship. >>>> >>>>Ho-hum. >>>> >>>>Anyway, the rule is enforced. >>>> >>>>Best wishes >>>> >>>>Keith Addison >>>>Journey to Forever >>>>KYOTO Pref., Japan >>>>http://journeytoforever.org/ >>>>Biofuel list owner >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>--- Sean Michael Dargan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hello Cliff, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >><snip> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
