Regardless of the climate changes wind is cheaper by far. lets say you need 25Kw/H per day (that is my average use)
This assumes no storage facility and constant production Solar you have MAYBE 12 hours/day to make electricity. Of that you can only count on 25% to be producing MAX panel power. This means you need to make 2Kw/h (12 hours production) and 6.25Kw/H with 4 hours for production. With wind you need only 1.05Kw/H Now reality says you wont get wind 24/7 (some palces do) and that you will have days where you wont get any sun. For a home wind setup I would go with 2Kw/H and a fair sized storage facility. Solar I would go with 10Kw/H and a huge storage facility. If I owned the building I live in (i rent office + apt in the same building) I would mount 4 500w generators on the roof. We have a fairly good wind blowing all the time. Plenty of space for a good 24v battery bank with 2000aH. Pay off is around 3 years. It can be much shorter depending on your power use along with if your power co has a co-generation energy credit program. Jeromie Tom Irwin wrote: > Hi All, > > If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more > sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If > the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days > from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the > rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly > constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. > > Tom Irwin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > *Sent:* Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300 > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day > > FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 > backlog of > orders. > > Keith Addison wrote: > > >Hi Darryl > > > >Very nice! > > > > > > > >>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. > My point is, > >>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. > >> > >> > > > >I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. > > > >If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey > >to Forever for it, might help. > > > >It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't > work > >out that way I don't mind. > > > >Best wishes > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > >>Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their > >>gasoline stations up > >>for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the > >>returns for their > >>shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump > >>them. I won't > >>be holding my breath. > >> > >>As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here > before. > >> > >>If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for > whatever reason, > >>here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. > >> > >>1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. > >> > >>2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local > >>FreeCycle, or bike > >>repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and > >>practical for > >>your use. Then use it. > >> > >>3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if > >>necessary. Slight > >>overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight > underinflation. Repeat > >>monthly or more frequently if required. > >> > >>4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. > >>Check owner's > >>manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control > >>system problems, > >>etc while you are at it. > >> > >>5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). > >> > >>6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. > >> > >>7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your > >>vehicle. There are > >>many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE > >>dual-fuel incentive, > >>where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel > capable. Check your > >>vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate > >>(or make your > >>own, of course). > >> > >>8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra > >>weight uses more > >>energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. > >>(e.g. sand and salt > >>mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as > well). > >> > >>9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / > >>energy wise labels. > >> > >>10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something > >>that is as fuel- > >>efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not > >>necessarily all of > >>your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. > >> > >>11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company > >>to boycott or > >>support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are > >>local and have > >>been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was > fashionable. I boycott > >>Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental > record > >>(and other > >>undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop > >>Exxon's gross > >>revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would > >>definitely get their > >>attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet > day won't. > >> > >>12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get > 0 mpg when > >>idling in stopped traffic. > >> > >>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. > My point is, > >>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. > >> > >>Darryl McMahon > >> > >> > >> > >>"mphee" wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their > >>> > >>> > >>lucky to make a > >> > >> > >>>nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store > sales. > >>> > >>>If more people could take public transportation it would help > greatly. > >>> > >>> > >>>Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, > $100mil last > >>>year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you > >>> > >>> > >>delivery it, and you > >> > >> > >>>sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of > >>> > >>> > >>it. Just by > >> > >> > >>>vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. > >>> > >>> > >>>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote > >>> > >>> > >>>>effort to take public transportation for a whole month. > >>>> > >>>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> wrote: > >>>>"This is mostly an incorrect rumor. > >>>>http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better > >>>>serve everyone to forward accurate information about > >>>>alternatives to petroleum." > >>>> > >>>>Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't > >>>>heard if it. I will check it from now on. > >>>> > >>>>I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but > >>>>wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day > >>>>boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer > >>>>period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew > >>>>this, it would be this group. > >>>>Marilyn > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
