I.S., I think you need to do some of your own research on this if you really want to know. The answers are all out there. Start at www.911truth.org I will tackle that first one since you think it is such a hot question: Blowing up the WTC Towers and Bldg 7 with enormous truck bombs would have been messy. They might not even have fallen. They were terrifically strong structures. If the towers would've fallen, it would've been in an unpredictable way and would have killed more than necessary and would have caused way too much collateral damage. They wanted to create a scene that would stick in people's minds for 100 years. They got what they were after. But in spite of their efforts, their story is full of holes, big gaping ones. If you want to believe the story, then do no research, and say "case closed". But if there is just a little doubt, then look around on the web and your cynicism might melt away. Peace, D. Mindock
----- Original Message ----- From: I. S. To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11-second thoughts Dear D. Mindock You seem to be ignoring the central point - if the 'CIA' wanted to blow up the twin towers, why didn't they just put a huge truck bomb underneath them? The only reason to hijack planes and crash them into the WTC is if you really are a fanatical terrorist operating under cover in the US. Furthermore, the hijackers almost certainly told their escorts and FAA people that they were returning to the airport - in which case the fighter jets would have been unlikely to shoot them down (killing hundreds of US citizens in the process). Again, the question is why weren't the airlines warned? Why wasn't security increased? Why weren't numerous and repeated FBI memos from field agents to headquarters acted on? What did the President know, and when did he know it? Well? Peter I. Solem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I.S., So why did Building 7 go down? It wasn't hit by anything except some falling debris from the towers. Why was the 757 that hit the Pentagon only able to make a 16 ft diameter hole, perfectly round? Why were all military planes kept from stopping the errant planes before they hit the towers. FAA controllers saw the planes deviate and then switch off their transponders. Look, if any one bit of the puzzle is totally out of place in the official rendition of the puzzle, the whole thing collapses. The Loose Change video brings up points, lots of them, that BushCo would not like to be made public. One is that there were large explosions in the lobbies of the towers and on other floors before the towers started to come down. There are witnesses to this. (Maybe by now these witnesses all have a different song to sing after being visited by whatever.) To say that it is disinfo doesn't make any sense. To me it is a very tight expose. It adds accelerant to the fire. BTW, Loose Change is referred to on the www.911truth.org site. The question is: How much do we need to know before a Conspiracy Theory becomes a Conspiracy Fact? I believe we now have more than enough to charge Bush/Cheney with crimes against humanity. Peace, D. Mindock ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Kemple To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Loose Change -- new video sheds new light on 9/11 -second thoughts These are all good points, I.S. For more skepticism on "Loose Change", see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/12/1787340.php and a number of websites cited therein. I haven't sorted it all through yet, and even the above site could itself be a dupe. Who knows? Bottom line for me, though, is that we already have more than enough goods to send up Bush-Cheney. (And always remember to include them both together. Surely, Cheney is Dr. Strangeglove incarnate. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Deadeye Dick's got stock in the "Impeach Bush" brigade, if not masterminding it....) Make no mistake, Cheney's gotta go too; even moreso. Bush is the stooge-monkey playing the accordion in front of the audience. -Martin K. On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:10 PM, I. S. wrote: At the risk of generating a huge amount of hate mail, I have to point out that Bush's real crime was ignoring the FBI warnings as well as failing to act on the August 6th presidential daily briefing titled "Osama Bin Ladin determined to strike inside US". No warning to the airlines - why not? If Bush deliberately allowed terrorists to make a strike on US soil, isn't that alone grounds for impeachment and charges of treason? Think a little bit, folks! - if the CIA or some other government agency wanted to fake a terrorist attack on US soil, all they'd have to do is park four huge truck bombs under the WTC, scatter some Arab corpses around with "Holy Jihad" letters, and blow the thing up. No need for elaborate bombs in the WTC, planes being hijacked, missles hitting the Pentagon, etc. However, if fanatical Al Queda recruits motivated by US occupation of Saudi soil, the Israeli-Palestine conflict, and fundamentalist ideology wanted to do this, planes seem the only way they could have done it - with the deliberate blind eye of Bush to assist them, that is. Loose Change in my opinion is a government produced disinformation film designed to produce deep divisions within the anti-war and impeach-bush movements; it is also designed to drive a wedge between 9/11 families and other protestors. This is the essence of many government propaganda / disinformation campaigns. Compare it to the NOVA special on the collapse of the twin towers, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ Now, I'm perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong - unlike the "9/11 Truth Networks", I hold that careful analysis and independent thinking are prerequisites for any investigation. However, I think that the evidence show that Bush was forewarned about 9/11 and deliberately failed to act. The question should be this: "What did the President and his advisors know, and when did they know it?" I believe that the answer to that simple question would lead to the impeachment of Bush on charges of treason. Peter I. Solem Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I've done some research on events discussed in this video. The facts about Operation North Woods was in fact discussed in Noam Chomsky's book Hegemony or Survival. It has a lot of credible information. In a documentary, it's absolutely critical to be accurate with ALL YOUR RESEARCH. On July 28th, 1945, a B-25 crashed into the Empire State Building - NOT A B-52! I doubt that the B-52 was even in development in 1945. S**T!!! That's frustrating! Mike "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: The video brings up new info that I've not seen before. The video makers did do a lot of work to pull a lot sources together. The 9/11 tradgedy was, in spite of all the effort by the gov, a bungled job. It doesn't stand up to intelligent scrutiny. Now it is our job to get the disgusting thugs out of office and into prison. They (Bush/Cheney/et. al.) ARE the real enemy combatants. Peace, D. 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