Hi Mike; We are talking about WINTER rape here. (I'm not referring to indoor activities on those long dark cold Canadian winters). According to this farmer winter rape is known in europe and not much here, but it is a variety of rape seed which has oil of much lower viscosity and has a low pour point. Several cultivars are described here:
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/v3-272.html I can find very little information to confirm that the winter hardy variety actually produces oil which is better for winter use. I'm looking for confirmation from list members if anybody knows. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: > Depends on the mix, I imagine. 5% rapeseed oil would be fine w/ winter > diesel > > Joe Street wrote: > > >>Very funny Tom! Designer exhausts! You should patent that idea. Recently >>I was wondering if I could make biofuel out of citrus oil and go off >>smelling like an orage blossom. LOL. >> >>But seriously ( actually I am seriously curious about citrus oil) now >>when it comes to the pour point some of these aromatic oils may make a >>low temperature fuel. ?? I have been talking to a farmer who runs an >>organic dairy farm and he is growing a crop of winter rape this fall. He >>claims you can mix the SVO with winter diesel and don't need to trans >>esterify. I am skeptical of course. I have very little info on the >>winter canola. Do you or does anyone on the list have experience with it? >> >>Joe >> >>Thomas Kelly wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Luke, >>> "So chicken fat it is." Maybe. >>> >>> Did you use bottom heat? as in a pot on the stove? >>>If so, did it crackle a bit? Any water on the bottom? >>> If you used a submersible heater, did bubbles form around the heating >>>element? >>> >>> The white stuff , "about 5%", might be water. >>> >>> I use 100% BD in my car until night temps get down around freezing (32F >>>/~2C). I then go to a 70% BD : 30% winterized petro diesel blend. 32F is a >>>good deal below the cloud point of my BD. (You can check your BD by putting >>>it in the fridge, check occassionally, read temp when it starts to cloud.) I >>>drive an '82 Mercedes 300SD. I think it would pump jello. >>> Last year I "winterized" my BD as described at JTF. >>>This year I have separated WVO with the lowest cloud point from WVO that >>>clouds at high temps. When the temps go down, the stuff that clouds easily >>>becomes heating fuel for my house ... tank in basement, the other stuff >>>becomes BD for my car ... outside in the cold. >>> I actually like BD made from the WVO w. chicken fat. The car exhaust >>>smells more like a barbeque than like french fries. My next 20 gal (76L) >>>batch will have about 5 gal of bacon grease .... solid, had to melt it. >>>It'll go in the car. I sometimes go fishing w a friend early in the morning. >>>He has requested bacon and egg exhaust. Maybe this next batch will fit the >>>bill. >>> Good luck w the WVO >>> By the way, what do you get for a titration on it? >>> >>> Tom >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:43 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Tom, >>>> >>>>I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and then >>>>congelled >>>>again, this time in three layers, a bottom layer (about 5%) that looks >>>>like >>>>black solids, then a layer of something white (also about 5%) and the rest >>>>brown goo. But it looks like no water. So chicken fat it is. Any point >>>>in >>>>processing it seperately? Except to save the good stuff for winter use? >>>>At >>>>what outside temp do I need to be conserned about BD 100 gelling? >>>> >>>>Oh, and any idea what the white layer is? >>>> >>>>Thanks for your help. >>>>:-) >>>>Luke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO >>>>>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>Luke, >>>>> If your WVO was used to cook meat such as chicken, you will have >>>>>some >>>>>animal fat which may be causing the middle layer. It will still make >>>>>excellent warm weather fuel. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, it might be water. >>>>> >>>>> Heat a small sample to get the water to drop out. Take some of the >>>>>dried >>>>>WVO and let it cool. If it remains clear, you had water. If it clouds upon >>>>>cooling it probably contains animal fat. >>>>> Tom >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM >>>>>Subject: [Biofuel] WVO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it >>>>>>settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown >>>>>>non-translucent >>>>>>layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>solids >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>on >>>>>>the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I >>>>>>havent >>>>>>run enough batches to be sure - that the middle layer has water in it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>it worth the energy - propane - to process it when you have to boil off >>>>>>the >>>>>>water? >>>>>> >>>>>>:-) >>>>>>Luke >>>>>> >>>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>Don't just search. Find. 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