This will be my last post on this thread. Hopefully it will die a quiet death.
"L Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem is that we have a number of organizations out there with > > more balls than brains. Fortunately, unlike many of its even more > > radical brethren, the NRA has kept it efforts officially in the legal > > and legislative arenas. > > > GOA (Larry Pratt) claims to be that org - time will tell. Time will tell, indeed. At least the GOA hasn't gone to the stunt of havving a spokes-celebrity as a president. > NRA is fat and happy - > just spent millions on the new building in/near the District of Criminals. > They've > been compromising with the devil for a long time - now they're like the Cancer > Society - a cure would destroy their cushiy gig - illogical analogy, but > close. A better analogy would be with the NAACP. They make their living from racial tension, and if we lived in perfect racial harmony they'd be out of a job. At least the people at the Cancer Society really believe in what they're doing and most of them actually want to be out of a job. > > This may come as a surprize to you, but it is not illegal to own a > > machine gun in the USA. You have to go through a mountain of paperwork, > > pay some stiff fees, get an FBI background check, and provide proof of > > security for the weapon, but if you can jump through all of those hoops > > you can own your very own machine gun. > > > Check state constitutions and statutes. Some expressly exempt militia from > any > restrictions (like the Class 3 registration and extortion you refer to AND > not in > federal jurisdiction). I haven't looked into it in some time, so I'm not as familiar with the subject as perhaps I should be. The one thing I do recall about it is that while state laws may be more restrictive that federal laws they may not be less restrictive. Witness all of the acrimony going on over medical marijuana and industrial hemp. > > Why shouldn't convicted felons have their rights to own firearms > > restricted? They have already shown they aren't trustworthy. Much of > > the time by using firearms to commit crimes. If they show that they can > > fit back into society, and be good little boys and girls they can earn > > their full franchize back, and have their rights reinstated. I know > > personally several who have. > > > Check Idaho - I am told a statute expresslly states there will be no > restrictions on > fellons as regards weapons. I don't know. I live in Florida, which does restrict the rights of convicted felons to own firearms. A position which I support. Until they have proven themselves capable of being good citizens I certainly don't want them to be able to go out and buy firearms at any gun shop. > Sorry, Keith - don't have a copy to confirm. When I > don't have to pay the 'rent', I be more thorough. Same here. > And how easy is it to become a > felon anymore? Slap a dog around; Since when was simple animal cruelty a felony? Chapter and verse? > fly the Bonnie Blue (anti Federal Aggression flag > and a song before the Stars And Bars); First amendment. The ACLU would be happy to help you fight it all the way to the Supreme Court. Besides which, I've never seen one outside of a museum. > fly the current US corporate flag upside down > in uptown suburbia; Since when were violations of the Flag Code felonies? Besides which, flying the flag upside down is a distress signal, and false distress signals cary penalties of their own. And if you're flying it upside down for political reasons then it's protected free speach under the First Amendment. Those of us who are veterans tend to be a little sentimental about the Stars and Stripes, if you know what I mean. > or refuse to 'cooperate' in an investigation of one the their > targets Law enforcement agencies have to have some muscle to flex in order to do their jobs. But they are also limited by several of the other amendments in the Bill Of Rights. I know personally a number of law enforcement officers, because they are fellow pilots. I wouldn't have their jobs for all of the money in the world. They have what must be one of the hardest jobs in the world. There isn't a man among them that I don't have a great deal of respect for. I know the Sherriff of Pinellas County, who is also a fellow pilot. I got to laugh at him one day when he was going to fly one of my boss's airplanes, forgot to untie the left wing and wound up doing turns around a tiedown. I know law enforcement agencies have their ugly underbellies too, but on the whole they do their jobs well, and they also have to operate within the confines of the Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. > - and many more can make one a felon so fast your head will spin. Well, considering that the vast overwhelming majority of the inmates in our penitentiaries are there because of drug offences, I'd say the easiest way to get yourself a felony conviction is to sell illegal drugs. > > > The real problem is that we have a criminal organization running the > > > country, > > > from the top down, and it doesn't matter if it's Slick Willie or Dubbya, > > > it's all > > > the same, just another criminal gang. > > > That W (witless) Ok, since you're so sure that they're _all_ criminals, and the system is hopelessly broken then what do you propose to replace it with? I also know one of my Congressmen personally, and one of my State Representatives personally. They're not perfect, but they're not corrupt. > You demonstrate some of the prob right off - the hijacked education system has > people talking and thinking democracy. Humph! I have 5 generations of teachers in my mother's family! If the education system has been hijacked then who hijacked it? Big business, that's who. They want people just educated enough to make good employees and good consumers, and they make sure the funding gets put where it will do them the most good. They use campaign funds and lobbyists to accomplish their goals, but then so do the NRA and GOA! > Absolutely not - REPUBLIC is it. I never said the USA was Democracy. I know it's a REPUBLIC. But democracy, the process, not the institution, is a large part of that REPUBLIC. > This is > the soap box. Well, let's get out the sulphuric acid and methanol and turn the soap into biodiesel. > Somehow, we did not get the jury box in here yet. I've sat on a jury as well. A robbery case that had more holes than an English muffin. It took us 15 minutes to acquit. Most of that was spent doing paperwork. > As to the ballot > box, it too is corrupted. As a local official, just try to get the source > code for > the programs running in the vote counting machines - won't happen. I _am_ a local official! I _am_ a poll inspector! I know the Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections personally, and she's straight as an arrow! And if you're accusing _me_ of corruption they you and I are going to dance! Of course you can't get the source code, because it's proprietary to the companies that build the machines! Perhaps it might have some bugs in it, but the _all_ software has bugs in it. The machines themselves don't care who the candidates are, all they do is count selections on ballots by number. If you want an example of more important software that you can't get the source code for then consider this: Almost all government computers run the Windows operating system. Just try to get Windows source code from Micro$oft. You won't be able to without $50,000, an approval from M$, and a nondisclosure agreement. > Run searches on > 'vote AND scam AND elections'. And you'll find a few elections scams and a lot of unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Oh, to be sure there are a lot of elections scams. We make it easy when less than half of us bother to vote! You should have heard the uproar at the polls about the State of Florida now requiring picture and signature identification in order to vote. Why? Because we found that too many _dead_ people in Miami were voting! Don't even get me started about the actions of the Florida Secretary of State during the 2000 election! She should have recused herself, and deserves to lose her job! Don't claim the whole system is broken just because of the transgressions of a few people. > The cartridge box remains. Many of them care not - > the incrementalism is working fine and the vast majority of us have no clue > about > the cartridge box. If you're talking about armed uprising against the government of the United States then I know an FBI agent and a Secret Service agent, both fellow pilots, who would like to talk to you. > BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG - GRASSROOTS ACTION CAN GET MAKE CHANGES - VOTE EARLY > AND > OFTEN (LBJ, I think). I like that one. Another one is "Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence." - Napolean. That one covers so much of what goes on in our government. Another of my favorites is "Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security." - Benjamin Franklin. And finally, in your zeal to protect second amendment rights, never forget that the Bill Of Rights has 9 other amendments in it all of which are at least equally as important as the second one. And with that I hope this thread passes quietly into the archives. Alan -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
