On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 10:50 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 14.09.2011 10:11, schrieb "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson": > >> please open a bugreport - maybe they would hear if i am not would be the > >> only person who is unhappy about what was done with F15 but all others > >> out there are silent and hoping for wonders > > > > This is rather interesting the person that has been the nosiest the most > > about systemd breaking his system, > > disrupting his workflow and what not, is now advocating that we potentially > > disrupt all deployments by bringing in > > a newer release of systemd which means bringing in updates to surrounding > > components as well to accommodating the > > changes that have been made not only in systemd but the surrounding > > components so as well. > > what do you exactyl not understand here? > > F15 was released with a unfinished systemd with bad usabilty > like "systemclt" is quiet and i want it get finished where it > was released: F15
Fedora release cycle is time-based (i.e "release roughly every 6 months"), not feature-based (i.e "release when it's done"). Things not being quite complete until next release will happen in such a release cycle. If you can't accept that then simply don't use a distribution with such a cycle. > > How about you actually for once provide a migrated legacy sysv init script > > to a native systemd unit in a bug report > > in bugzilla instead of demanding one from the maintainer or help > > maintainers updating documentation surrounding > > their component or bring a patch upstream that fixes the brokenness you > > seem to be experiencing. > > mhh if i look to the mysqld-socket discussion this makes no sense and is > wasted work as long policies forbid migration in F15, forbid socket > activation for most services and so on If you had read the minutes from the latest FESCo meeting, you would know that socket activation is now allowed: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2011-09-12-17.00.log.html#l-465 > > If you are incabable of doing the above I suggest you stop wasting people > > times with this noise > > ah if you are not develop this which are unfinsihed pushed to users you > have to be quite? nice! You don't have to be quiet, but you have to be civil and understand a few concepts about the product you are using (short time-based cycle, community QA, etc...) At least, when you identify an issue, complain if you want, but accompany that with a patch. Or just use something else, no one is forcing you to use Fedora and systemd. [Note: I'm not a systemd developer, only an enthusiastic user who went to the trouble of having systemd on EL6 because we like it so much at $dayjob. Thank you systemd developers, and thank you Johann for leading the migration effort in Fedora 16] -- Mathieu _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel