I am from MI (29 years) and believe that the northern states have some kind of inherent advantage in producing distance stars. I would add these guys to the list: Bjorklund Twig, Minnesota 27:46 Nenow Minnesota 27:20 and he was a wrestler! Porter Minnesota 27:46 Steve Plasencia MINNESOTA 27:45 T-Williams Monroe, MI 27:31 Doug Brown Harper Woods, MI 8:19/27:54 Doug Tolson Wayne, MI 28:50 Pat Davey Birmingham, MI 28:49 Gerry D. Dearborn, MI 27:58 Billy D. Dearborn, MI 28:25/2:10 Virgin Lebanon?, ILL 27:29 Shannon Butler Montana? 28:00 Bill McCheese Does Oregon count as tough weather? 13:14/27:47 Bruce Bickford MA 13:13/27:37 Bobby Hodge MA 28:24/2:10 Salazar Wayland, MA 13:11/27:25 Shorter Upstate, NY 27:45/2:10 Eyestone Utah 27:41 Alan Scharsu Austintown, Ohio ?? XC stud/NCAA and WCCC team Hacker Men. Falls, WI 3:34 Easker Wittenberg, WI 13:34/28:29 Keith Hanson Stevens Pt., WI 28:?? Clary Anchor., AK 13:25 Chapa Hammond, IN 13:19 Terry Brahm Lincoln City, IN 13:?? And those are just the ones off the top of my pointy-little-head. To address the hot-climate thread though: (I know much less about the Southland, to be fair) The Reinas (Roland, Randy, Rueben, Rojelio ...) San Antonio,TEXAS The Hausers (Brad and the other one) TEXAS Marty Froelick Marathon Houston, Texas Tom Ansberry 28:?? Tucson, AZ Jeff Cannada ??? Phoenix, AZ Harry(Danny?) Green 28:19 TeXAS Aaron Ramirez 28:00 Arizona? Then add about 600,000 guys and girls from California (especially HS runners). -Brian -----Original Message----- From: Louis LeBlanc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Creating Good Distance runners in the US Continuing with Fred's Finke's thread.....how about distance runners from warm climates? As you are suggesting that tough conditions produce better runners, how come we haven't seen a large number of successes from someplace like Texas? (And I'm not talking about kids who grew up there and went off to college somewhere else) They have the population base, but hasn't produced that many greats. I believe it is easier to overcome "tough" conditions in colder environments than in warmer ones. Any thoughts? Louis LeBlanc Portland, OR P.S. For you Suzy fans on the list, she is doing much better and is back in training, planning for a 1500 season opener at Drake. Look for an updated site (http://www.suzyfavorhamilton.com) April 1. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com