So this looks like only 7 non-Africans have produced times in the top 100
all time, right?
I'd put Juantorena on the list though (maybe that was his 8th).
On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andre Sammartino wrote:
> Jon,
>
> I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from... each time
> you reappear on this list to boost book sales you undermine your
> credentials substanitally by citing WRONG numbers. Where is the 800m
> evidence you cite?
>
> my check of Peter Larsson's top 100 performances all-time produces this
> list of non-"africans"
>
> 3 1.41,73 Sebastian Coe
> 11 1.42,33 Sebastian Coe
> 18 1.42,58 Vebjørn Rodal
> 39 1.42,88 Steve Cram
> 40 1.42,90 André Bucher
> 42 1.42,92 André Bucher
> 43 1.42,95 Vebjørn Rodal
> 45 1.42,97 Peter Elliott
> 54 1.43,07 Sebastian Coe
> 60 1.43,12 André Bucher
> 64 1.43,17 Yuriy Borzakovskiy
> 67 1.43,19 Steve Cram
> 72 1.43,22 Steve Cram
> 75 1.43,25 Vebjørn Rodal
> 84 1.43,31 André Bucher
> 91 1.43,34 André Bucher
> 98 1.43,38 Sebastian Coe
> 98 1.43,38 Rich Kenah
> http://www.algonet.se/~pela2/mtrack/m_800ok.htm
>
> That's 18, not 8!
>
> And if you in fact meant all time performers, then the top 100 at Hanserik
> Pettersson's site includes these lot (i may have a couple wrong here
> through not knowing who/"what" they are/were (ugly terminology, but we are
> playing this game)):
>
> 2 1.41.73 Sebastian Coe
> 5 1.42.58 Vebjörn Rodal
> 12 1.42.88 Steve Cram
> 13 1.42.90 André Bucher
> 14 1.42.97 Peter Elliott
> 22 1.43.17 Yuriy Borzakovskiy
> 31 1.43.38 Richard Kenah
> 37 1.43.56 Rob Druppers
> 45 1.43.65 Willi Wülbeck
> 49 1.43.74 Andrea Longo
> 52 1.43.7h Marcello Fiasconaro
> 53 1.43.84 Olaf Beyer
> 54 1.43.84 Martin Steele
> 55 1.43.86 Ivo Van Damme
> 57 1.43.88 Donato Sabia
> 58 1.43.88 Tom McKean
> 59 1.43.90 Einars Tupuritis
> 62 1.43.91 Johan Botha
> 63 1.43.92 John Marshall
> 65 1.43.92 Andrea Benvenuti
> 67 1.43.95 Philippe Collard
> 68 1.43.95 Giuseppe D'Urso
> 71 1.43.98 David Sharpe
> 72 1.43.98 Bram Som
> 73 1.43.9h José Marajo
> 75 1.44.01 Marko Koers
> 76 1.44.03 Peter Braun
> 79 1.44.07 Lucijano Susanj
> 80 1.44.09 Steve Ovett
> 81 1.44.10 Vladimir Graudyn
> 82 1.44.10 Ari Suhonen
> 84 1.44.14 Lee Jin-il
> 88 1.44.22 Nils Schumann
> 92 1.44.25 Vasiliy Matveyev
> 94 1.44.38 Ryszard Ostrowski
> 96 1.44.3h+ Peter George Snell
> 97 1.44.3hy-.6 Jim Ryun
> 98 1.44.3h Dave Wottle
> http://w1.196.telia.com/~u19603668/atb-m04.htm
>
> That's 38...
>
> Please explain your sources...
>
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:02:57 -0700
> From: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> ...
> I did discuss this numerous times, and most recently in my post a while back
> about "why Brits" will are doing so lousy. The FACT is...and you can check
> the lists of top times and top runners..is that you and others have
> swallowed a MYTH that there were a lot of runners of "US, UK and Northern
> European stock" that were setting the world on fire years ago. There were a
> few great races by a handful of great runners such as Cram and Coe competing
> in a field in which most of the rest of the world did not compete,
> particularly runners from Africa, most of Asia, and South America.
> Now that the field is more level, the best talent comes to the top. Again,
> check the lists of top times and runners... Those so-called "great" times of
> years ago pale in comparison RELATIVE to the population numbers AND overall.
> In the 800 metres, for instance, 92 of the top 100 times are held by those
> of mostly African ancestry. Was Coe a great runner. Of course. And we will
> always have great runners. But he was no where near the consistent level of
> a Kipketer or Cruz.
> ...
>
>
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