Am 28.01.2015 um 02:51 schrieb Warin: > On 27/01/2015 9:29 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: >> (This discussion originated on talk - crossposted to tagging on >> Malcolm's suggestion) >> >> On 26/01/2015 21:16, Malcolm Herring wrote: >>> On 26/01/2015 19:23, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: >>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay >>>> mentions that "a quay will normally be tagged as part of the >>>> coastline natural=coastline". Apart from that I found no clue >>>> anywhere else about how a quay should be tagged... Am I missing >>>> something ? Considering how well-used man_made=pier is, I am >>>> surprised that quays get such scant attention. man_made=quay anyone ? >>> To quote the IHO dictionary: "quay. A WHARF approximately parallel to >>> the SHORELINE and accommodating ships on one side only, the other >>> side being attached to the SHORE. It is usually of solid >>> construction, as contrasted with the open pile construction usually >>> used for PIERS." >>> >>> So yes, your reasoning is correct & that section of the coastline >>> that forms the quay could indeed be tagged "man_made=quay". >> >> Yes, this is about what I had in mind: >> - Either take a section of natural=coastline and overload it with >> man_made=quay >> - Or draw a dedicated man_made=quay way on top of a natural=coastline >> >> I have no idea which one would be best. I lean towards the first one >> for easier editing - ways exactly on top of each other are difficult >> to select. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > Off topic. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Harbour#Quay .. is > dated .. 2008 or before .. 8 years ? proposed? Ridiculous! Abandoned .. > why? And what is used in its place? Very poor documentation - nothing > directly on why it failed.
Sadly, all proposal without a change within some time period where set to abandoned some time ago. Please feel free to take over and reactivate it. > ================ > > One could also use waterway=quay or waterway=wharf. This would > associate it with a waterway, might be a natural feature (think of a > solid sandstone bank used as a wharf), or man made so why not waterway? > Does not sit with man_made=pier .. but those don't occur as natural > features? My thinking is to follow highway=* tagging where traffic > lights are tagged hightway=traffic_lights rather than > man_made=traffic_lights. This groups things together for a more logical > system of things that would be associated all in the one main tag. Actually, I am in favour of creating more keys in stead of too much grouping. We already get conflicts with highway=traffic_lights vs. highway=crossing and imagine traffic_calming=* to be under highway=traffic_calming. I would propose to use man_made=quay analog to pier and guess that there are not many natural quays. Still waterway=quay is used a little more often [1], so documentation and some con-sense is needed. > ----------- > As the coastline in some places is man made .. I'd much rather see > coastline as waterway=coastline rather than natural=coastline. This > comes back to my thoughts on OSM tagging philosophy/thinking/order waterways are all linear objects and it contradicts to your waterway=quay/wharf I would not take all keys literally and we will always have a discussion about natural=* I guess. Cheers fly [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=quay#values _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging