Hi Tom and a great question,
I think a lot of this dates back to soldier resettlements after the
first and second wars and that these farmlets were too small to operate
successfully and thus were merged into larger farms so some roads that may
have been required in the past were no longer required and some roads
slated to be developed over time were found to not be required. This has
continued as farms have merged due to improved machinery or that there are
cheaper options to improve other roads to spec by councils.
How to map them? I would be looking at the Strava heatmap to see if there
is any athletic usage but that is not 100% proof. So if there is no path,
no Strava action and little to go on, I would map the area as
grassland/scrub/wood and show the bordering fence lines and perhaps add a
note. In SA, you can clearly see wide corridors for the movement of stock
but is each one still in use on a regular basis? Unfortunately, I don't
think there is a set way to map these so I would map what is on the ground.
Ewen
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 at 23:16, Tom Brennan <webs...@ozultimate.com> wrote:
> In NSW these are known as Crown Roads, or 'paper roads' (where they are
> not constructed). They are administered by the state government, and in
> theory, access is public. It can be hard to tell just by looking at
> parcel data whether something is a Crown Road or not.
>
> There has been a program in recent years of selling these off to the
> adjacent landholder.
>
> In some cases these provide access to parks and reserves, and letters
> have needed to be written to the Dept of Planning to protest the
> relevant sale.
>
> I assume Victoria probably has a similar system to NSW
>
> cheers
> Tom
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>
> On 11/12/2023 5:40 pm, Adam Horan wrote:
> > When comparing satellite imagery and various maps on Vic Maps, you can
> find
> > what seem to be road corridors that don't have roads in them. (I'm
> looking
> > on https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/ and
> > https://mapshare.vic.gov.au/mapsharevic/ and when you show parcel data
> you
> > can see these linear areas that extend off the end of roads, usually in
> > rural areas. These linear areas do not show parcel information, unlike
> the
> > surrounding blocks)
> >
> > They tend to be visible in sat imagery too as scrubby or rougher land
> > compared to the fields and paddocks around them.
> >
> > I would love to be able to legally (and safely) use these as walking and
> > running routes in my surrounding countryside, and also allow others to
> do
> > so. They're attractive as they're traffic free.
> >
> > I'll link to some examples below, but I'll ask my questions here:
> > 1. How can I validate if these are unbuilt roads, and how can I check
> what
> > the access is?
> > 1a. I guess as these aren't main roads that they belong to the local
> > council?
> > 2. If a path is already present then I can map that as a simple path, but
> > how could I map and tag the land?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > Example 1 : Lambert Road, Pearcedale
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-38.1829/145.2334
> > If you look on VicMap you can see the corridor extends to the west to
> meet
> > with Middle Road.
> > https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-2TIhhoK5rNdNfc4m2WxVtMMraiG
> > https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.182821%7E145.233097&lvl=17.8&style=h
> > This one seems pretty clear to me as there's a nice clear wooded line,
> when
> > I recently passed this on Middle Rd you could see an unfenced section.
> >
> > Example 2 : NW extension of 'Favorite Hill Rd' to North Road
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-38.17566/145.23470
> > https://vic.digitaltwin.terria.io/#share=s-5PIrhAi6EP5M1ivchIyH9lfyGxF
> > https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=-38.174379%7E145.236276&lvl=17.3&style=h
> >
> > This one is visible on sat imagery, however it does seem to be fenced off
> > from the established road.
> >
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