I am down from Edinburgh university and wondered if any academics at ucl working on osm might have time to meet about work on project. I do mapping, but am interested in doing research on osm. Regards James stewart
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Re: Mapping the unloved and unwashed (Dave Stubbs) > 8. London Olympics - Was: Mapping the unloved and unwashed > (Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)) > 9. Re: London Olympics (Tom Chance) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:17:06 +0000 > From: Tom Chance <t...@acrewoods.net> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Reading mapping party this weekend 13/14 Dec > To: "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)" <ajrli...@googlemail.com> > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <addcbf13d14fb4035124828aac5ef...@acrewoods.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:57:51 -0000, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" > <ajrli...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> The Reading mapping party this weekend will be hosted in Meeting Room 1 > at >> RISC (Reading International Solidarity Centre) http://www.risc.org.uk > > Great! I'll probably turn up on Saturday for the afternoon at least, I have > some errands to run in the morning. I won't have a bike so I might be > cheeky and just do some POI infill in my old mapping haunts - the town > centre and the main University campus. > > Tom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:29:15 -0000 > From: "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <ajrli...@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Reading mapping party this weekend 13/14 Dec > To: <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> > Message-ID: > > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOKaD4mR3JBOrEpRon92nMgBANp/h2q5khfivkmsnziqazaaaaabxjaaabaaaabws6funcgutaxgaqaalicnaqaaa...@googlemail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The bare bones of the wiki page is up: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Reading/Mapping_Party > > Will sort the cake later. Please add useful info to the wiki page though. > > oh, and add you name please if you can make it. > > Cheers > > Andy > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Chance [mailto:t...@acrewoods.net] >> Sent: 11 December 2008 12:17 PM >> To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >> Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Reading mapping party this weekend 13/14 Dec >> >> >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:57:51 -0000, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" >> <ajrli...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> The Reading mapping party this weekend will be hosted in Meeting Room 1 >> at >>> RISC (Reading International Solidarity Centre) http://www.risc.org.uk >> >> Great! I'll probably turn up on Saturday for the afternoon at least, I have >> some errands to run in the morning. I won't have a bike so I might be >> cheeky and just do some POI infill in my old mapping haunts - the town >> centre and the main University campus. >> >> Tom >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:43:42 -0000 > From: "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <ajrli...@googlemail.com> > Subject: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed > To: <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> > Message-ID: > > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOKaD4mR3JBOrEpRon92nMgBANp/H2q5kHFIvKMsnZiQaZAAAAABxJAAABAAAADoL3kObgsASL4SRra/zh88aqaaa...@googlemail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really > unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to > get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or sending > in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy as > well as sensible ideas :-) > > In no particular order: > > Scunthorpe > Grimsby > Lincoln > Doncaster > Darlington > Middlesbrough > Sunderland > Perth > Bolton > Northampton > Newport > Plymouth > Weymouth > > I'm sure you can spot plenty of others too. > > Cheers > > Andy > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:40:43 +0000 > From: Mark Williams <mark....@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed > To: "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)" <ajrli...@googlemail.com> > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <4941b30b.4070...@blueyonder.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: >> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really >> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to >> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or sending >> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy as >> well as sensible ideas :-) >> >> In no particular order: >> >> Scunthorpe >> Grimsby >> Lincoln >> Doncaster >> Darlington >> Middlesbrough >> Sunderland >> Perth >> Bolton >> Northampton >> Newport >> Plymouth >> Weymouth >> >> I'm sure you can spot plenty of others too. >> >> Cheers > > Basildon, in Essex. > > I can't think of many reasons anyone would go there, other than perhaps > bowling at Bas Vegas or walking round, well, the bits I've already > walked round... It's all a bit chavvish with added drug users. > > It needs a mapping party sometime - I think I'll look at that when the > weather picks up though, Basildon in the rain is just too awful :) > > Although I did see on Ito-world that someone's done a bit recently. > > We could do a mapping party with 10-pin bowling after; there may well be > somewhere amenable to accommodating us for the day. > > Has anyone tried a geocaching event with mapping included? Sort of > 'cache in maps out' as it were... it should pick up some GPS owners. > I've never understood why there's so little crossover with that. There > are really quite a lot [of geocaches] in & around Essex. > > Can we convince one of the pub listing or similar websites to take on > our mapping? This would give some fairly public places an incentive to > get their area done, at least. Things like WI & religious groups often > have a website & don't want ads all over it as well, and could use clean > maps, and have lots of activists - mostly without GPS in my experience, > though. > > Mark > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:49:30 +0000 > From: Peter Miller <peter.mil...@itoworld.com> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed > To: Mark Williams <mark....@blueyonder.co.uk> > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <7420b647-bff0-4ff1-952d-b87446d9a...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On 12 Dec 2008, at 00:40, Mark Williams wrote: > >> Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: >>> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number >>> of really >>> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on >>> how to >>> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives >>> or sending >>> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your >>> crazy as >>> well as sensible ideas :-) >>> >>> In no particular order: >>> >>> Scunthorpe >>> Grimsby >>> Lincoln >>> Doncaster >>> Darlington >>> Middlesbrough >>> Sunderland >>> Perth >>> Bolton >>> Northampton >>> Newport >>> Plymouth >>> Weymouth >>> >>> I'm sure you can spot plenty of others too. >>> > > I have been working on adding wiki pages for every County and Unitary > Authority in the UK (there are 140 in total) so that we have a > consistent place to add this sort of information. There were articles > for some and there are about 19 added so far. Could people add county > pages for their areas and and use this for a hit-list section of > wanted places?: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:County_in_England > > This is the sort of format I use. A general overview of what is done > and not done and what people could do: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Suffolk(UK) > > For villages it is necessary to create district pages as well > otherwise there are too many of them in the list. Here is a district > page with details of what needs to be done and what has been done in > East Cambs > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/East_Cambridgeshire > > New mappers should be able to see what needed to be done in their > areas and we can use it to plan the 'mopping up' of the missing areas! > > Btw, Lincolnshire has the lowest population density of any county in > England, that might be one reason for the lack of mapping. > > Regards, > > > Peter > > >>> Cheers >> >> Basildon, in Essex. >> >> I can't think of many reasons anyone would go there, other than >> perhaps >> bowling at Bas Vegas or walking round, well, the bits I've already >> walked round... It's all a bit chavvish with added drug users. >> > Muki Haslan at UCL published a paper last summer that pointed out that > OSM was not mapping deprived areas. It has some other useful > information. I wonder if he could be encouraged to update his research > and produce a more detailed map. > http://povesham.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/openstreetmap-quality-evalution-and-other-comparisons/ > . > >> It needs a mapping party sometime - I think I'll look at that when the >> weather picks up though, Basildon in the rain is just too awful :) >> >> Although I did see on Ito-world that someone's done a bit recently. > > For some time we (at ITO) have being planning to do a thematic mapping > view of these un-loved places by combining the census data and OSM > data. Each census output area covers about 100 households so there > must be able 300,000 of them so it is very detailed. The idea would be > to check that there are roads in each OA and to look at the ratio of > roads/people in each area. We would then produce a thematic map for > the UK showing where there were people but no roads in OSM. Would that > be useful? I would need to check but it is my understanding that there > are no copyright issues with doing this and anyway we are not using it > to map from we are using it to tell us where to map. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONS_coding_system > >> >> >> We could do a mapping party with 10-pin bowling after; there may >> well be >> somewhere amenable to accommodating us for the day. >> >> Has anyone tried a geocaching event with mapping included? Sort of >> 'cache in maps out' as it were... it should pick up some GPS owners. >> I've never understood why there's so little crossover with that. There >> are really quite a lot [of geocaches] in & around Essex. >> >> Can we convince one of the pub listing or similar websites to take on >> our mapping? This would give some fairly public places an incentive to >> get their area done, at least. Things like WI & religious groups often >> have a website & don't want ads all over it as well, and could use >> clean >> maps, and have lots of activists - mostly without GPS in my >> experience, >> though. >> > Do remember that the local councils might be interested themselves. > There is growing official awareness that OSM exists and might be > useful to them. That is one reason why I am building the local > authority pages. > > Peter > >> Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:13:11 +0000 (GMT) > From: Steve Hill <st...@nexusuk.org> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed > To: Peter Miller <peter.mil...@itoworld.com> > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: > <alpine.lrh.1.10.0812120854250.26...@persephone.nexusuk.org> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Peter Miller wrote: > >> I have been working on adding wiki pages for every County and Unitary >> Authority in the UK (there are 140 in total) so that we have a >> consistent place to add this sort of information. There were articles >> for some and there are about 19 added so far. Could people add county >> pages for their areas and and use this for a hit-list section of >> wanted places?: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:County_in_England > > Just a thought, but UK != England - might it be an idea to rename this > page, or is the plan to create separate pages for Wales, Scotland, > Northern Ireland...? > >> Do remember that the local councils might be interested themselves. >> There is growing official awareness that OSM exists and might be >> useful to them. That is one reason why I am building the local >> authority pages. > > I'm not sure why the councils would use OSM - as far as I know the > councils' internal systems (e.g. highways department, etc) are heavilly > based on OS maps with the council's own layers overlaid. This means (as I > interpret it): > > 1. The council's own layers are derived from OS maps so could never be > integrated with OSM > 2. Since the councils have to publish their maps they presumably already > have a licence from OS to do so, so using OSM *as well* won't save them > money. > 3. Like it or not, OS maps are usually more detailed than OSM - most > (all?) areas in OSM don't map detail like where the running lanes of a > road end and the walkway begins and few areas have individual buildings > mapped. For example, zoom into some of the residential streets on: > http://maps.swansea.gov.uk/localview/OnTheMap.aspx > > I'd be pretty interested to hear another side to the argument though. :) > > - Steve > xmpp:st...@nexusuk.org sip:st...@nexusuk.org http://www.nexusuk.org/ > > Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:52:05 +0000 > From: "Dave Stubbs" <osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed > To: "Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)" <ajrli...@googlemail.com> > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: > <a4c775140812120152n4e4fd6c7r317a584992bfa...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 2008/12/11 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <ajrli...@googlemail.com>: >> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of really >> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how to >> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or sending >> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy as >> well as sensible ideas :-) >> >> Weymouth > > > Get Yahoo! to invest what little money they have left in some > satellite imagery for Weymouth. They might just get convinced if you > point out it's an Olympic venue for 2012. :-) > > Dave > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:23:41 -0000 > From: "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" <ajrli...@googlemail.com> > Subject: [Talk-GB] London Olympics - Was: Mapping the unloved and > unwashed > To: "'Dave Stubbs'" <osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk> > Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: > > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOKaD4mR3JBOrEpRon92nMgBANp/h2q5khfivkmsnziqazaaaaabxjaaabaaaabzobkdxbgnrk04lrlokpntaqaaa...@googlemail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave Stubbs wrote: >> Sent: 12 December 2008 9:52 AM >> To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) >> Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping the unloved and unwashed >> >> 2008/12/11 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) <ajrli...@googlemail.com>: >>> A quick scoot around our green and pleasant land reveals a number of >> really >>> unloved places (Why are so many in Lincolnshire!). We need ideas on how >> to >>> get these places on the map, whether it be motivating the natives or >> sending >>> in the OSM swat teams to raise the profile. I'd like to hear your crazy >> as >>> well as sensible ideas :-) >>> >>> Weymouth >> >> >> Get Yahoo! to invest what little money they have left in some >> satellite imagery for Weymouth. They might just get convinced if you >> point out it's an Olympic venue for 2012. :-) >> >> Dave >> > > > Which brings us to another point. We have nearly 4 years to map all the > Olympic venues. The basis of what we have achieved in the last 4 years its > almost certain we will have them all covered, but it might be a good idea to > start a wiki page that lists them all so that locals can focus on what the > map needs to show for the Olympic visitors. We have a real opportunity to be > a streak ahead of the pack here. > > Here's a stub: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Olympics_Venues > > Cheers > > Andy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:01:13 +0000 > From: Tom Chance <t...@acrewoods.net> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] London Olympics > To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > Message-ID: <b28978510ff30d83ae04b517d6f13...@acrewoods.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:23:41 -0000, "Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)" > <ajrli...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> Which brings us to another point. We have nearly 4 years to map all the >> Olympic venues. > > I wonder if there's scope to do some interesting maps that nobody else will > provide as well / quickly? Or to encourage others to use OSM for their > ends? > > For example: > > - first to have it all on the map with good detail > - great information and routing for cyclists and pedestrians > - 'alternative' visitor info like genuinely sustainable places to eat, > perhaps link up with the LA21 Green Map people > > There will be lots of organisations who might use OSM maps in reports / web > sites coming up if we alert them, I know lots of them through work as we > wrote the sustainability strategy and political activity (e.g. London21, > nef, WWF, Green Party, London Citizens). I'm sure we collectively know > loads of others. > > Tom > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > End of Talk-GB Digest, Vol 27, Issue 11 > *************************************** > > -- James Stewart University of Edinburgh Research Centre for Social Sciences Old Surgeons Hall High School Yards Edinburgh EH1 1LZ +44 131 650 6392 +44 131 6509399 fax http://www.rcss.ed.ac.uk -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _______________________________________________ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb