Grant Slater wrote: > Sorry I cannot write Dutch; I am only able to write in Afrikaans and > English.
No problem, I wonder who pointed you on this thread anyway. Please take this text as constructive, it is not intended to be written as troll, flame or whatever. It is written between 2:45 and 3:30am so... not the time these mails should be written anyway. > Stefan: > > Wat een non-sense; Kennisnet heeft al een jaar geleden aangeboden OSM > hardware te sponsoren. De OSMF heeft genoeg geld over van de laatste > SOTM, dus er is geen enkele cent van gebruikers nodig om dit te realiseren. > > Ik raad daarmee ook iedereen af om geld te doneren aan een > organisatie die niet transparant is naar haar gebruikers. > > Kennisnet did offer support in ~Aug 2007. It took me a while to work out > the hardware requirements as I was fairly new to the sysadmin team. I > think by the time we submitted what we needed in early Nov 07 the offer > had lapsed. Since then the project's hardware requirements have grown > drastically. Will this happen again? Because according to my potential sponsor counter we are now on 4 potential hardware sponsors, for NL alone. > The OSMF did have money "left over" after the last SOTM, this is clearly > shown in the AGM report of August 2008 > http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/2nd-annual-general-meeting-london-1400-august-30th-2008/meeting-report/ Was grepping to my nontext-skype-logfiles to find the numbers I was talking about I did not find them yet though; But please do read the text and wonder how the 14.000 euro was spend :) 3.500 pounds; hardware 600 pounds; legal unknown ; travel costs unknown ; SOTM ----------- 14.000 ; total expenses My math system generally is only able to deduce one variable per equation at the same time. Even if the 2.500 euro's that were left over were spend on hardware we are not even close to 60%. If you don't find this /curious/ you might want to tell your users 6k was spend on legal or travel costs? Things that user group probably doesn't give anything about. > OSMF needs to keep funds in reserve to fund/underwrite the following > years SOTM. Sponsors do pay, but normally only after then conference has > already passed. The OSMF also has other expenses. Is this also the case for the Platinum sponsorship? > Alone, since the AGM, I have spend OSM funds on the following hardware: > 3x HP DL360 G5 Servers, 1x APC AP7950 and misc networking > Documented here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/Upgrades#Upgrade_History Are the PIII servers still connected? If so, we might have a job for them :) > If you do have finance questions, it's likely best to ask the OSMF > treasurer directly: treasu...@osmfoundation.org > Otherwise I am happy to answer any other question you might have, > preferred in English or very simple dutch. The very simple question is of course: it is known to many that there is commercial usage of OSM data. I cannot understand and will not take for granted that only the minor users of OSM are willing to invest into hardware. Therefor the donation seems like a we (read: OSMF) need money, and the most easy way is to just ask the users. Now what also was discussed on IRC; I presume this 10k will probably go to a 0.6 server, leaving other hardware available for other jobs. Just trowing new hardware to a job that is basically one single point of failure or performance bottleneck is not really going to help the users after a new data donation of lets say France or Italy. Now I sincerely hope OSM gets a freaking Sun X4540, with 64GB* of RAM and decent 48 disks array. And if someone is really smart, maybe ask if OSM can get it for free, instead of buying it with this new money. You can afford it anyway now :) ...I hope this stays the only English thread on talk-nl. Stefan * at this amount of memory, ditching MySQL for something else might be an option. _______________________________________________ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
