He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect him to discuss this issue here.
We had a discussion of whether to ban him from editing in the past, which never really got resolved. It just died out. Yes, he's done a lot of editing, and yes, some of his edits have been fruitful, but no, some of his edits have been less than helpful. I wouldn't miss him if he were gone. I vote, not that anybody called for a vote, to ask him to leave. -russ Paul Johnson writes: > A minor update, since NE2 refuses to handle this as a community: > > Me: I'm no longer accepting input on this outside of the mailing list. If > you want to have any further opinion on this, post to the thread in > talk-us. > NE2: You know I can't do that. By refusing to discuss you forfeit. > Me: I'm not going to have this discussion with you someplace you can > unilaterally > declare victory independently in a vaccuum, that isn't how OpenStreetMap > works. You need to follow the thread and sort out your differences with the > moderators. > > Again, since the consensus is this restriction is a valid one despite what > NE2 is suggesting, I intend to revert the deletion. Not sure who our > dispute management authorities are these days (since I'm not sure it's DWG > or not), but I'd like to know how to keep them in the loop on this. > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <ascho...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > I looked a bit more and in many jurisdiction it's illegal anyway to go > > around a traffic jam by exiting a freeway and go back direct on the next > > onramp. Even more reason to have a restriction. Tested Google maps and it > > will make a big detour to avoid this illegal straight on. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > > > >> Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando area other than NE2 > >> could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me chasing a Mapdust bug > >> out to his area). > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll > >> <ascho...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org>wrote: > >>> > >>>> NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender again, need a > >>>> ruling on this relation before I revert: > >>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811 > >>>> > >>>> Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista Drive in > >>>> Orlando, http://binged.it/128OlwZ. Despite left turn only markings on > >>>> the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a straight-on > >>>> movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on the excuse > >>>> that "Anyway, I've deleted the turn restriction, since I cannot recall > >>>> having seen any signs prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen > >>>> any > >>>> such signs because you have not been there." Never mind that the left > >>>> turn only sign is clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the > >>>> legal > >>>> standing of the marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that > >>>> section 4.2.1 of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY > >>>> to be > >>>> omitted in situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left > >>>> arrow > >>>> would be required for a through-or-left-turn lane). > >>>> > >>>> Who's right? > >>>> > >>>> > >>> You. it's clearly signed on the pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge > >>> his interpretation in court. So as long as no one gets a ticket and wins > >>> the court case it's the right thing to have a restriction. > >>> And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of > >>> crap from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even > >>> consider > >>> to contact him. > >>> > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Talk-us mailing list > >>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > <div dir="ltr"><div style><span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">A minor update, > since NE2 refuses to handle this as a community:</span></div><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><div> > <span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><br></span></div>Me: > I'm no longer accepting input on this outside of the mailing list. If > you want to have any further opinion on this, post to the thread in talk-us. > </span><div> > <span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">NE2: You know I > can't do that. By refusing to discuss you forfeit.</span></div><div > style><font face="Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif"><span > style="font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Me: </span></font><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">I'm not > going to have this discussion with you someplace you can</span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"> </span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">unilaterally > declare victory independently in a vaccuum, that isn't how</span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"> </span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">OpenStreetMap > works. You need to follow the thread and sort out your</span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"> </span><span > style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">differences with > the moderators.</span></div> > <div style><span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><br></span></div><div > style><span style="font-family:'Helvetica > Neue',Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Again, since the > consensus is this restriction is a valid one despite what NE2 is suggesting, > I intend to revert the deletion. Not sure who our dispute management > authorities are these days (since I'm not sure it's DWG or not), but > I'd like to know how to keep them in the loop on this.</span></div> > </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb > 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <span dir="ltr"><<a > href="mailto:ascho...@gmail.com"; > target="_blank">ascho...@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px > #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I looked a bit more and in many jurisdiction > it's illegal anyway to go around a traffic jam by exiting a freeway and > go back direct on the next onramp. Even more reason to have a restriction. > Tested Google maps and it will make a big detour to avoid this illegal > straight on.<div class="HOEnZb"> > <div class="h5"><br> > <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Paul > Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org"; > target="_blank">ba...@ursamundi.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote > class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc > solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > <div dir="ltr">Good point, though was hoping someone in the Orlando area > other than NE2 could weigh in (since this is a rare example of me chasing a > Mapdust bug out to his area).</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"> > <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"> > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Apollinaris Schöll <span dir="ltr"><<a > href="mailto:ascho...@gmail.com"; > target="_blank">ascho...@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote > class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc > solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > <br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, > Paul Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org"; > target="_blank">ba...@ursamundi.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote > class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc > solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > > <div dir="ltr">NE2 is going on the "World according to NE2" bender > again, need a ruling on this relation before I revert: <a > href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811"; > target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2249811</a><div> > > > > > <br></div><div>Turn in question is southbound World Drive at Buena Vista > Drive in Orlando, <a href="http://binged.it/128OlwZ"; > target="_blank">http://binged.it/128OlwZ</a>. Despite left turn only > markings on the southbound approach and a flush median gore preventing a > straight-on movement, NE2 is of the opinion, and removed the relation, on > the excuse that "<span > style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Anyway, I've deleted > the turn restriction, since I cannot recall having seen any signs > prohibiting the movement, and you have not seen any such signs because you > have not been there.</span>" Never mind that the left turn only sign is > clearly marked on the pavement. He questioned the legal standing of the > marking since it omits "ONLY," despite the fact that section 4.2.1 > of the Florida Traffic Engineering Manual requires ONLY to be omitted in > situations such as the ramp in question (a straight/left arrow would be > required for a through-or-left-turn lane).</div> > > > > > <div><br></div><div>Who's right?</div></div> > <br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>You. it's clearly signed on the > pavement. We are no lawyers to challenge his interpretation in court. So as > long as no one gets a ticket and wins the court case it's the right > thing to have a restriction.<br> > > > > And NE2 is known for fighting just for the fight. I come across tons of crap > from him in areas he has never seen. I fix it and don't even consider to > contact him.<br> </div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 > 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> > > > > _______________________________________________<br> > Talk-us mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org"; > target="_blank">Talk-us@openstreetmap.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us"; > target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us</a><br> > <br></blockquote></div></div><br> > </blockquote></div><br></div> > </div></div></blockquote></div><br> > </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
