Hello Bryan, I would tag them as "motorcar=private" because it will tell me that (some) motorcars can physically go there, but only after being granted permission.
But the wiki and the international community are now using the access tags much more to reflect the legal status. This makes it impossible to correctly tag some uniquely South African features. For example a road can be a legal right of way, but the house owners association may have erected a fence across it. In some cases the exact legal status may even be subject to pending litigation. To make OSM easy for ordinary people, I would much rather that we adopt a different test to determine 'access': "Would you advise a person whom you don't know to use that road ?" (So it includes physical attributes, legal attributes, safety etc) The human mind is hot wired to answer that question. Even preschool children will often get it right. Regards, Nic On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Bryan Devine <gr8scot...@gmail.com> wrote: > Glen > > Thanks for the input. In the TMNP only Cape Nature or someone with > permission from them can take a vehicle onto the jeep tracks. Hence my > motorcar=no suggestion. The "roads" are gravel tracks in the forest > and fynbos, so I think that fits pretty well with the > forest/agricultural idea of a track. Quite a number of the jeep > tracks are presently tagged access=private, but to my mind this is > public land that can only be accessed by vehicles with permission. > > Sorry about the confusion caused by the capitals, but my email client > insists on automatically capitalising the start of a sentence. Just to > confuse things further, a main path in TMNP is called the Contour > Path. So my suggestion was to name paths and tracks that do in fact > have official names. Also Skeleton George, Nursery Ravine, etc. > > On 7/23/10, Glen Wilson <1tinsh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Bryan >> >> Tagging the Jeep tracks as motorcar=no suggests that you can't take your >> 4x4 that way, ever. If this is the case then highway >> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway>=path >> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath> /might /be more >> appropriate. A while ago somebody (Nic?) mentioned that highway=track >> was intended more for agricultural or forestry use but I can't remember >> exactly what they said was better. >> >> If you have information on the trail difficulty, add sac_scale=* >> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale> to the footways. >> >> *I* think naming the ways "contour path" (lower case) indicates a >> generic name whereas "Contour Path" is a proper noun (and a more >> official name). >> >> I'd say tag the ways as highway=footway (because capital Highway=footway >> is not the same thing[1]) but I'm sure you know that already. >> >> Later >> >> Glen (Tinshack) >> [1] See Q & A on the Adding Tags >> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.4.1> page of the >> Beginners Guide on the Wiki. >> >> On 2010/07/23 04:56 PM, Bryan Devine wrote: >>> >>> I've been fortunate in being given a set of (non-copyright) gpx files >>> that covers almost every safe footpath and jeep track in the TMNP. >>> These have been uploaded into the traces database and I'm presently >>> tracing them on to the map. However, I've come up against a variety of >>> tags that have been applied to existing tracks and footpaths. In the >>> interest of conformity within the TMNP (and possibly other national >>> parks), could I get some input on a tagging scheme that I can apply >>> throughout. >>> >>> My suggestions are: >>> >>> Jeep Tracks: >>> >>> Highway=track >>> >>> access=permissive >>> >>> motorcar=no >>> >>> bicycle=no >>> >>> foot=yes >>> >>> surface=gravel >>> >>> name= "Contour path or whatever if the track has a name" >>> >>> Footpaths >>> >>> Highway=footway >>> >>> Foot=yes >>> >>> Name= "Contour path or whatever if the track has a name" >>> >>> Bryan >>> >>> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > _______________________________________________ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
