Baby steps.... First you get people using OSM as background maps(instead of google), then maybe people will start to see that you can do a lot more with OSM data than just a background map.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:41 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote: > On the one hand, I find the use of OSM as a background map a slightly > boring use-case. I'd like to see gov use actual data. > > On the other hand, it can actually be controversial within organisations. > Because people will complain to the local government if they notice > mistakes in the background map. So then government employees have to > explain that that's not their job to fix, or maybe even actually fix things > in OSM themselves. > And you might also have a basemap built within the government services, > which of course the data managers want to see used, if only to be able to > get the public to point out mistakes. > > 2017-03-15 13:52 GMT+01:00 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>: > >> Nice one James. >> >> Thanks John >> >> On 15 March 2017 at 08:38, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The city of Ottawa already uses OSM in their opendata portal: >>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/sledding-hills >>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/neighbourhood-names >>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/airport-runways >>> etc etc >>> But I doubt they know/care as their portal was built by a consultant and >>> not them. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:31 AM, joost schouppe < >>> joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> The page Clifford shared is of course an excellent resource (I started >>>> the article :) >>>> But your remarks are not very government-specific, so you probably >>>> won't find an answer there. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Both locations use more than one language. Both seemed unaware that >>>>>> the map can be in languages other than English. Apparently politically >>>>>> this can be very important. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> There's many projects working on that problem. In Belgium we have a >>>> famously complicated situation. Especially Brussels is interesting, where >>>> both French and Dutch are used in the name=* field, split by " - " and with >>>> language in more or less random order. We're working on mono-lingual tiles >>>> to help with that: >>>> http://tile.openstreetmap.be/#map=12/50.84366/4.39113 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Using R R.org apparently we can count things in the map. Why anyone >>>>>> would want to do this is a mystery to me but apparently statistians make >>>>>> money from it so it must be useful to someone. Possibly local >>>>>> governments? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> There are many ways to count thing on a map :) >>>> Just a random example: you might want to make a classification of >>>> different kinds of neighborhoods (sleeper village, city center, >>>> agricultural area, holiday area). You can do that completely automated for >>>> a whole country using OSM data (if it is complete enough) >>>> >>>> >>>> The contact from Ottawa was aware that the city paid for the maps it >>>>>> used on some of their web sites but wasn't sure about using OSM instead, >>>>>> the idea of not having a contract would be difficult to get across. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Well yes, and there is no such thing as a free lunch. There are limits >>>> to the use of OSM.org tiles. Running your own tile server is often deemed >>>> too complicated by local governments. For bigger websites, they will often >>>> look at the likes of Mapbox. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyone any examples of how local government is using OSM? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> What Clifford said :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> I understand part of the City of Ottawa, Ottawa Hydro does use OSM on >>>>>> its web site by the way. Something my contact was unaware of. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Typically, one branch of government has no clue what another branch is >>>> doing. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Joost Schouppe >>>> OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | >>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup >>>> <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 外に遊びに行こう! >>> >> >> > > > -- > Joost Schouppe > OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | > Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup > <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/> > -- 外に遊びに行こう!
_______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk