I strongly disagree. It is perfectly useful to document the existence of tags in the database with data items. For example one was created for the key sub_sea:type [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Item:Q4506] and it has been possible to add this it is a discardable tag that the main OSM editors remove when editing. While it is possible in principle to add a long form tag documentation page, and indeed the presence of the data item is a record that one may be worth writing, it needs a different set of skills to research its content. As such the data item and others like it are useful on their own.
-- Andrew ________________________________ From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> Sent: 18 February 2020 17:28 To: osm <talk@openstreetmap.org> Subject: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags Data Items should not be created by bot for undocumented tags. According to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_items#Item_Creation_Process the Data Items (aka "Wikibase" or "Wiki Data items") are automatically created by a bot, even before a tag is documented, if a tag has a certain standard format and more than 10 uses in the database. The data item is created in this case with the text "Created a new Item: Auto-updating from Wiki pages" - e.g. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q19947&action=history This is confusing to users. For example, Item:Q19947 above, "landuse=research" was created before there was a wiki page. Then yesterday a user documented the tag with a page, but did not understand why there was already a data item: "Wikibase entry: evidence for preceding deletion? I've just created landuse=research, but the data item https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q19947&action=history was already existing in December '19. How was the data item then created?" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki=#Wikibase_entry:_evidence_for_preceding_deletion.3F Besided the potential confusion caused by creating these items by bots, I think it is a bad idea to encourage wiki users to start editing these data items without first creating an actual human-readable wiki page to document the tag. In theory, the "Data Items" can be useful if they properly document how tags are used, in a way that is easier for computers to handle, but this only works if the data is maintained and updated. Creating a new wiki page (by human) will alert other users via "Special:Recent" and "Special:NewPages", while the stream of items created by bots is too much for humans to maintain, and the page names are too obscure (Item: Q19947 is meaningless) to be scanned by humans. Therefore, I propose that Yurikbot be changed to only add new data items for documented tags which already have a wiki page in at least one language. I do not see a benefit to creating date items for undocumented tags. Joseph Eisenberg _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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