You are right. If updating to mailman 3 will take monrhs of work it is probably not worth trying to make any changes right now.
I was wondering, however, what changes to the mailing list the team are considering doing in the future, as Tom said they are looking into things. Thanks, IpswichMapper-- 14 Dec 2020, 19:23 by j...@liotier.org: > On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, > ipswichmap...@tutanota.com> wrote: > >> > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid. >> >> Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose? >> > > From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher priorities > that absorb administrative resources - so unless you can offer a hand, > I'm afraid that things will remain as they are for now. > > > > > > > > >> -- >> >> 14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by >> t...@compton.nu>> : >> >>> That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data >>> and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing >>> and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a >>> quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged >>> and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is >>> a collection of separate components. >>> >>> Given that we're already looking at other things there is >>> no point in spending several months and many man hours on >>> attempting a migration to something that we have to install >>> from source and then try and keep up to date without any >>> upstream packages. >>> >>> You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from >>> personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably >>> a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way >>> of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever >>> got close to that is Discourse. >>> >>> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On 14/12/2020 18:58, >>> ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Python's mailing lists use mailman 3: >>>> >>>> https://www.python.org/community/lists/>>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.python.org/community/lists/> >>>> <https://www.python.org/community/lists/> >>>> >>>> What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more >>>> useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum. >>>> >>>> If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The >>>> mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping >>>> over OSM server specific steps that make the process harder?) >>>> >>>> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html>>>> >>>> >>>> <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html> >>>> <https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> IpswichMapper >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by >>>> t...@compton.nu>>>> : >>>> >>>> It's not going to happen. >>>> >>>> Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora >>>> and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster. >>>> >>>> Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated >>>> to >>>> deploy than what we have. >>>> >>>> Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a >>>> totally different product. >>>> >>>> There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On 14/12/2020 18:42, >>>> ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman >>>> administration experience, or that much coding experience for >>>> that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+ >>>> years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually >>>> useable. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by >>>> j...@liotier.org>>>> : >>>> >>>> From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at >>>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman >>>> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman> >>>> <https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>>>>> , >>>> Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman >>>> administration experience, maybe you could make it happen. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I was wondering if all the lists on >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org >>>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org> >>>> could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest >>>> archiver). >>>> >>>> Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is >>>> *unusable*. >>>> Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum. >>>> >>>> From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active* >>>> than >>>> the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more >>>> accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might >>>> use the >>>> mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I >>>> understand why others would think so). >>>> >>>> Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on >>>> maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.* >>>> >>>> I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to >>>> mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists >>>> so, so >>>> much more useable. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Tom Hughes (>>>> t...@compton.nu>>>> ) >>>> http://compton.nu/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tom Hughes (>>> t...@compton.nu>>> ) >>> http://compton.nu/ >>> >> >>
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