Re: [time-nuts] M12+T First Light

[David Andersen]

Thanks - very informative graph!  Might be interesting to see what a 
GPSDO looked like with an M12+ core that used sawtooth correction.  
Anyone have such a beast / such a plot?

I still need to find free time to build one of those.  I love my 
z3801a, but I keep thinking, "Gosh, this could be a lot better!" :)

  -Dave
On Apr 19, 2005, at 1:17 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote:
Hi Brooke,
Yes, the M12 timing receiver is very nice.
Attached is a preliminary plot comparing 1 PPS jitter
among four common GPS time recievers including a
M12+ with sawtooth correction.
In the plot the VP is dark blue and the M12+ is pink.
In the table below, times are RMS over 10k seconds.
31.5 ns -- Oncore VP
 9.3 ns -- CNS-1 (M12+)
 3.0 ns -- CNS-2/O1 (M12+ h/w sawtooth correction)
 1.3 ns -- standard HP 58503B (8ch VP, 10811 GPSDO)
The M12+ with sawtooth correction is yellow and
the GPSDO is green. You can see that although
the M12+ with sawtooth correction has slightly
more jitter than the GPSDO, as a time standard
on average it looks like it might be more accurate
more of the time.
As you know from playing with a 58503A or Z3801A
a GPSDO does a fair amount of wandering and you
can see this in the plot.
If you require a real-time 10 MHz or 1 PPS then use
a GPSDO but if you're collecting data only for later
processing then it looks like an M12+ with sawtooth
correction is just as good or better.
/tvb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brooke Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 16:23
Subject: [time-nuts] M12+T First Light

Hi:
To use an astronomical term "First Light" meaning my first use of the
M12+T GPS Timing receiver.  WOW!!!!
The manual description of the @@Hn command shows -128 to +127 ns as 
the
range for the sawtooth error.  On the 8 channel unit I think the actual
sawtooth error was around + and - 50 ns.
I looked at the @@Hn data stream in TAC32 and saw numbers in the mid
teens, much lower than the 8 chan sawtooth error.  I'm not sure if 
this is
typical, or maybe I was just lucky.  I have the El mask set to 50 
degrees
and Time RAIM turned off.
I've made a small number of measurements against the Cesium source 
whose C
field I haven't touched for a month or two and the standard deviation 
for
5,000 1 PPS measurements ranges from 14 to 27 ns, whereas the 8 
channel unit
was typically in the mid 30 ns range with excursions much higher.
So the way timing is being handled in the M12+T is far better than 
the old
8 channel units, i.e. it's not just more channels.
Having Fun,
Brooke Clarke, N6GCE
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