It is very easy to make an impedance phase detector by
inserting a toroidal current transformer in series with
the load under test. The center of the secondary is
connected to the load through a capacitor. Each end of
the secondary goes to a diode detector. When the
load is resistive, the DC outputs of the two detectors
are equal. You can see this in the literature back
as far as at least the 1950's for autotuning antennas.
It is closely related to various FM discriminator circuit
like the ratio detector.
Rick
On 4/12/2014 12:23 PM, d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote:
Magnus,
You are very much on the track that I was thinking. I belive you are
absolutly correct
in that a 90 degree phase shift would be ideal.
I did a bit more digging last night, and it turns out that an XOR phase
comparator
looking at the tank voltage and drive voltage may be ideal, as you
have suggested here. My main concern was that I plan to adjust the pulse
width of the push-pull the drive circuit to
adjust the power into the tank circuit. (Actually the drive will be
full bridge, transformer
coupled to the tank). That change in pulse width is where I was stuck,
mentall. However since
I'm in the 10Khz to 100Khz range and am generating the push-pull PWM
digitally, I can
just generate a second output at the same frequency and phase (or even
different phase)
than the drive signal to compare to the tank voltage. As you say
"away you go with a phase
detector"!
Didier,
I guess the thing that's different here than in most situations, is that
normally you try not to load
the tank circuit more than necessary. Here I'm loading the tank
circuit considerablly, knowing that it
will change frequency with the change in Q. This change in frequency
is what I need to find, track, and follow.
The tank will be very lossy (Maybe consuming 20Kw to 30Kw of power if
all goes well). I'm also certian
Q will move all over the place. I just want to stay near the peak of the
bell, even if it's a short fat bell shaped
curve. Since the frequecny is low, I was thinking that even a modern
optocoupler should get me
phase information well. At these power levels a little loading
souldn't be a big deal! :)
Dan
As you drive it with a pulse, you induce energy to it. If you sample
the voltage (or current) 90 degrees of from your drive-pulse, that
quadrature will indicate if you are early, late or prompt. As your
sampling point is also a sign of your current rate, and the pulse
forced the LC tank and your oscillator into sync, the frequency error
will cause the phase difference and hence voltage difference to be
observeable. As you are fairly close in frequency, so will the phase
error and you can assume the phase to voltage to be almost linear and
away you go with a phase detector. Cheers,
Magnus
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Keep in mind that anything you connect across your tank circuit will
affect its resonant frequency and Q (signal source and measuring
device). You need to make sure your equipment is very loosely coupled
to the UUT through small value capacitors for instance.
Didier KO4BB
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