Catalina 2.4(assumed) Standalone could work with JSF very well and light
as well.
For example,

JSF 1.0
---------------
Struts 1.1
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Catalina 2.4 (<- also known as Tomcat 5 servlet container)

IAS

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-----Original Message-----
From: jean-frederic clere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:15 PM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: JSP 2.0's J2SE 1.4 Requirement


Henri Gomez wrote:
> Costin Manolache wrote:
> 
>> iasandcb wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Now it's almost clear that SRV 2.4 requires JDK 1.2 and JSP 2.0 does

>>> JDK 1.4. The main issue is discrepancy of J2SE requirement between 
>>> SRV 2.4 and JSP 2.0, which are supposed to come up together.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, it isn't.
>>
>> All we know is that the current draft has this requirement. We should
>> find a proper procedure ( for example a vote on tomcat dev ) and then

>> ask our representative in JCP ( Geir for example - he's a very nice 
>> person ) to request a change. I don't know what's the proper 
>> mechanism yet - but Apache does have a representative and a vote, and

>> we should have a way to have the opinion of tomcat-dev expressed.
>>
>> If the final JSP2.0 will require 1.4 - then we'll have to do that. It

>> would be very unfortunate ( especially for jsp people ), and will 
>> require ( IMO ) a separate tomcat without JSPs.
>>
>> My opinion ( and it seems a lot of people have the same opinion ) 
>> that portability ( in the sense of beeing able to run on most OS and
>> platforms )
>> seems to agree with what Apache is doing in most projects ( Apache 
>> server runs on more platforms than java - and did that even before 
>> 'write once,
>> run everywhere'). We should first explore the alternative for having
this
>> opinion confirmed ( vote ? ) and expressed in the expert group.
>> If the EG prefers features over portability - then we need to find a 
>> way to create a distribution without JSP ( is this possible ?) and
maybe
>> compensate by including cocoon or velocity. 
> 
> 
> +1 here .
> 
> If Tomcat 5 require JDK 1.4, I'll have to stay with Tomcat 3.3.x or 
> 4.1.x on my Linux and iSeries productions boxes.
> 
> Could we imagine alternatives ?
> 
> - Tomcat 5 using Serlvet 2.3/JSP 1.2 ?
> 
> - Tomcat 5 using Servlet 2.4 and JSP 1.2 ?
> 
> - Tomcat 5 using Servlet 2.4 and JSP 1.2 or JSP 2.0
>   depending the JVM found at runtime ?
> 
> - Tomcat 5 bundled without JSP 2.0 ?
> 
> - Tomcat 5 bundled with velocity or tea instead of JSP 2.0 ?
> 
> I'm afraid that making JDK 1.4 mandatory for Tomcat 5 (or JSP 2.0)
> will delay for a long time its adoption by companies, until all 
> platform got JDK 1.4, which means for example that people which use 
> IBM SDK on Linux or mainframes systems will have to wait up to the end

> of year ad minima.

As I will probably have to deliver JSP 2.0 with the next Tomcat I would
prefer 
that JSP 2.0 only requires JDK 1.3.

But I like the idea of having a modular Tomcat.
So Tomcat 5 bundled without JSP 2.0 but with ready for adding adding
JSP, 
velocity or whatever sounds great.



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