Howdy,
Whoa there skippy ;)  Venting is good sometimes...

>According to this page, it references j2se which is the JRE, the
runtime.
>If
>you're using Tomcat binaries and not compiling any Java, you would
think
>you
>only need the runtime libraries and not the whole SDK.
>http://members.ozemail.com.au/~lampante/howto/tomcat/iisnt/#1

"This page" above is some user's howto guide.  I wouldn't count on it as
the definitive reference for anything.

The Jakarta site says you need the JDK, not the JRE.  These definitions
are uniform in their use across java.sun.com, the various apache.org
sites, theserverside, jguru, many vendor sites, etc. so there is very
little confusion as to which one is which.  The JDK is the bigger one,
containing various development tools including Javac and its tools.jar
packaging required for runtime compilation of JSPs.  The JRE is the
smaller one.

>Also Jakarta's site is one of the worst sites I visited. The home page
says
>nothing about Jakarta upfront. No intro about jakarta and what it's
about.

I find the Jakarta home page EXCELLENT.  I've used it as a model in
telling my developers, contractors, etc, how to structure their product
web sites.  If you scroll a bit down past the news, on the front page
there is a section that explains what Jakarta is quite well:

>Welcome  
>The Jakarta Project creates and maintains open source solutions on the
Java >platform for distribution to the public at no charge. Jakarta
products are >developed by and distributed through various subprojects,
which are listed >the SubProjects menu the left, or in the section
below. Each subproject has >its own team of developers and committers,
and its own mailing list. 
>
>All product support is provided through the subproject mailing lists.
All >work at Jakarta is provided a volunteer basis. There is no paid
staff. >Please considerate and do your homework before asking our
volunteers to >donate additional time and energy to your project. 
>
>All active products from the Java Apache Project have been merged into
the >Jakarta website. A few retired projects (like JServ) are still
available >through the Java Apache website. 

>nothing about Tomcat. There's no 'requirements' section. Therefore I
can't
>find out what I need to run Tomcat. For someone who just wants to use
it,

The documentation for tomcat is easily accessible.  The READ-ME tells
you that the install and run document has requirements.  The install and
run document has clear, complete, and concise requirements.  Every
tomcat distribution also includes this documentation in the top level
directory when you unpack it.

>the resources are hidden in the site. There's no search function and
the
>site is not easy to navigate. I hope it wasn't developed by a
developer.
>Web developers do not necessarily design good web pages.

Not necessarily is correct.  There guys, IMHO, do design excellent web
pages.  I've found them easy to navigate and to find what I need.
There's a "Search Jakarta" link at the top left of the home page.  

I hope you've installed it all, and chilled out a bit, over the weekend.
As a future reference, I would point out that historically, calm and
well thought-out questions to this list tend to get more and better
responses.  There's a good reason most people (and believe me, a lot of
people read it) chose to ignore your message.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics



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