Kevin Deegan wrote:

DAVEH asks for a definition

You ask for a definition.

DAVEH:  Yes........I'd like to hear a real definition of Christian from both you and Perry, since you both seem so adamant to exclude Mormons from being considered Christian.  After reading through all you posted below, I fail to see where you define Christian.  Why is that, Kevin?  I ofttimes think what you avoid saying speaks more to the topic than what you do post.

    BTW........Yes, I do have a copy of Robinson's book (AMC), but have not read it yet.  Are there any particular points he made that you wish me to read that would not take too long?

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
The devils believe in God. They are seen in the NT knowing Christ
Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know
Something is obviously missing. The devils have a head knowledge and probably a good definition since they have even been with Jesus.
According to LDS Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen D. Ricks the definition is "Christian: anyone or any group that believes in Jesus Christ as the Savior and Son of God."
The legion that said "What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?" they would qualify as Christians!
Anyway Ricks & peterson want the definition to be so inclusive and BROAD as to not bar anyone. Yet the Bible tells us MANY are on the BROADway to Destruction Few find the Narrow way to eternal life. MANY will be told "depart from me I never knew you." "Depart from me, ye curse d, into everlasting fire"

Rather than get into the definition game (exclusion by definition etc.)
Have you read Robinsons book "Are Mormons Christian"?
http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/newsletters_articles/aremormonschristians.htm
I thought we might see what some of the GENERAL AUTHORITIES say.
They can give us authoratative information on Mormonism, we can only hold opinions.

SAME OR DIFFERENT WHICH IS IT?
"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines
Christianity." (Brigham Young, Mormonism's Second President,Journal of Discourses 10:230.)

If all Mormons are Christians then all Christians are Mormons, right?
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie - "Mormonism is Christianity; Christianity is Mormonism; they are one and the same, and they are not to be distinguished from each other in the minutest detail ...Mormons are true Christians; their worship is the pure, unadulterated Christianity authored by Christ and accepted by Peter, James, and John and all the ancient saints." (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 513).

THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH guess which one you are in:
"And he [God] said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the
devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." (1 Nephi 14:10, see also 13:6, 14:3, 9; Alma 5:39)

WHICH ONE ARE YOU? IN CASE YOU ARE NOT SURE WHO THE CHURCH OF THE DEVIL IS:
"What is the church of the devil in our day, and what is the seat of her power?…It is all the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that  perverted the pure and perfect gospel….It is communism, it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini" (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55).

"This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..." (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165).

"the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" (D&C 1:30)

“Each of us has to face the matter—either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing.”  (President Gordon B. Hinckley. “Loyalty,” April Conference, 2003. )

This Church is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth .... there is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, Page 670)

"I asked the Personages [God the Father and God the Son] who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)--and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt;..." (Joseph Smith - History
1:18-19, "The Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith", p. 3) also a pamphlet in use by LDS missionaries

"the only organization authorized by the Almighty to preach his gospel and administer the ordinances of salvation, the only Church which has power to save" (Mormon Doctrine; 1977 ed, p. 136).

"We cannot accept that any other church can lead its members to salvation."  (The Masters Church, Course A, Mormon Sunday school text.)

Have we established that unless I join the LDS Church i can not be saved?



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